92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I completely disagree it's a 1 on 1 game.. If that were the case Jordan woulda averaged 40+ ppg against those scrubs from other countries in 92'

He didn't do that because Barkley was shooting 71% from the field averaging 18 per game. And he led the team. Jordan wasn't shooting enough to average 40 ppg and he didn't shoot particularly well in those Olympics. But put him in the game against the 2012 team, and tell him that 20 years from then people were going to be saying that they think this guy is just as good as Jordan or that he can stop Jordan, and a guy that crazy competitive is going to punish Kobe. Did you see what they did to Kukoc? Not saying he's on Kobe's level but just to show what Jordan did when motivated.

[ojandpizza]

It's doesn't have to be Kobe it could be Bron, Durant, whoever... Besides my very first post said talking about matchups is stupid anyways and it would be a team defensive game for
Both sides.... Y'all failed to pay any attention to that and just blow up on this matter... You're completely right, nobody would touch MJ, they would all just move aside and watch him go for 50.. Maybe pull out their camera phones and take a few snapshots along the way...

[ojandpizza]

He didn't do that because Barkley was shooting 71% from the field averaging 18 per game. And he led the team. Jordan wasn't shooting enough to average 40 ppg and he didn't shoot particularly well in those Olympics. But put him in the game against the 2012 team, and tell him that 20 years from then people were going to be saying that they think this guy is just as good as Jordan or that he can stop Jordan, and a guy that crazy competitive is going to punish Kobe. Did you see what they did to Kukoc? Not saying he's on Kobe's level but just to show what Jordan did when motivated.

I'm not one of those guys who thinks Kobe is anywhere close to Jordan.. I think he could be the most overrated player ever.. Don't stick me in that stupid category of Kobe fans

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I'm not one of those guys who thinks Kobe is anywhere close to Jordan.. I think he could be the most overrated player ever.. Don't stick me in that stupid category of Kobe fans

Oh no that's not what I meant. I mean just in general. Sorry if that's the way it came off, I wasn't talking about people in particular.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

It's doesn't have to be Kobe it could be Bron, Durant, whoever... Besides my very first post said talking about matchups is stupid anyways and it would be a team defensive game for
Both sides.... Y'all failed to pay any attention to that and just blow up on this matter... You're completely right, nobody would touch MJ, they would all just move aside and watch him go for 50.. Maybe pull out their camera phones and take a few snapshots along the way...

If that's what you're getting from what we're saying, I think we're done here.

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

It's doesn't have to be Kobe it could be Bron, Durant, whoever... Besides my very first post said talking about matchups is stupid anyways and it would be a team defensive game for
Both sides.... Y'all failed to pay any attention to that and just blow up on this matter... You're completely right, nobody would touch MJ, they would all just move aside and watch him go for 50.. Maybe pull out their camera phones and take a few snapshots along the way...

They'd either foul him or get owned like everybody else did

I dont care who you put on him.. put LeBron's momma as the 6th man and he would kill her too

Obviously you arent overrating Jordan, its these guys in 12 you're overrating

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Everyone keeps talking Jordan and rightfully so, but wasn't Barkley the MVP of this team? I think the 2012 team could damn sure slow his game.. I don't think Kobe would be able to stop Jordan, slow him yes.. But not enough to matter... I don't really see a match to guard LeBron, but I don't think that means he would just go out and flat out kill the 92' team.. Team defense would be much more important than this match up crap everybody is throwing around lol.. It would be a fun game to watch, I think LeBron would play pretty well, he deosnt mind giving the ball to others and you know the 92' team would be planning to stop him.. While I still say the 92' team would get a pretty comfy win I'd say LeBron would have the most complete game, when it comes to a points, rebounds, assists.....

But we all know if this game really happened Kobe would shoot the 2012 team out of the game by halftime, trying to prove he's the "best" lol

This is generally the point I was making about "most dominant" player. I'll take the team defense of the 92 team over the 2012 team any day of the week. And they would focus on stopping Lebron... considering the type of player Lebron is, he'd be fine facilitating in that situation. He would have a complete game but wouldn't be the most dominant on that alone.

I also brought up the other Olympics bc the US didn't win the Gold in 04 and had battles in 08. The 92 team completely destroyed everyone. So, in comparison, literally anyone could've ended up being the MVP, most dominant, whatever you want to call it in 92. They could've subbed strictly on a timer and ran circles around the competition. In 04 the team obviously needed to work as a team, have a real game plan, etc. And in THAT situation, Lebron wasn't the most dominant. Similarly in 08 they really needed SOMEBODY to step up and take charge and that wasn't Lebron either. We'll see about this year... he did it last night. But against the 92 team, I have no doubt he wouldn't "dominate".

You're stretching it with Kobe "slowing Jordan down" though. 2012 Kobe isn't in his prime. He's not slowing anybody on that team down besides maybe Bird... let alone prime Jordan.

Even a undersized not that athletic Joe Dumars slowed him some, he's by far the best ever but he's not superman.. I don't think he just go out for 40-50 no problem against this 2012 team.. And I'm the biggest Jordan fan I know..

When mentioning Dumars most think "one of the best defensive guards ever" more than "undersized and not that athletic" so that's a really, really bad example.

Not to mention no one player on that team slowed Jordan down. He drove and they close lined, pile drove and upper cut him every time he entered the lane. Definitely a team defensive strategy and one that didn't really work either. Jordan would score or get fouled whenever he wanted to. People like to compare Kobe to Jordan but the biggest comparison in this regard is FG%. Jordan was a volume shooter who took his share of jump shots and shot over 50% for his career. He was about as close to unstoppable as any wing player could ever be. There is a reason he's never lost a championship game/series (including two trips to the Olympics).

[BringTheHeat]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

This thread makes me sad because we'll never see LeBron on Mike or Durant on Bird..

[ojandpizza]

This is generally the point I was making about "most dominant" player. I'll take the team defense of the 92 team over the 2012 team any day of the week. And they would focus on stopping Lebron... considering the type of player Lebron is, he'd be fine facilitating in that situation. He would have a complete game but wouldn't be the most dominant on that alone.

I also brought up the other Olympics bc the US didn't win the Gold in 04 and had battles in 08. The 92 team completely destroyed everyone. So, in comparison, literally anyone could've ended up being the MVP, most dominant, whatever you want to call it in 92. They could've subbed strictly on a timer and ran circles around the competition. In 04 the team obviously needed to work as a team, have a real game plan, etc. And in THAT situation, Lebron wasn't the most dominant. Similarly in 08 they really needed SOMEBODY to step up and take charge and that wasn't Lebron either. We'll see about this year... he did it last night. But against the 92 team, I have no doubt he wouldn't "dominate".

You're stretching it with Kobe "slowing Jordan down" though. 2012 Kobe isn't in his prime. He's not slowing anybody on that team down besides maybe Bird... let alone prime Jordan.



When mentioning Dumars most think "one of the best defensive guards ever" more than "undersized and not that athletic" so that's a really, really bad example.

Not to mention no one player on that team slowed Jordan down. He drove and they close lined, pile drove and upper cut him every time he entered the lane. Definitely a team defensive strategy and one that didn't really work either. Jordan would score or get fouled whenever he wanted to. People like to compare Kobe to Jordan but the biggest comparison in this regard is FG%. Jordan was a volume shooter who took his share of jump shots and shot over 50% for his career. He was about as close to unstoppable as any wing player could ever be. There is a reason he's never lost a championship game/series (including two trips to the Olympics).

That's my point though, the whole team would be guarding Jordan. It's not like this would be a game of one on one or that the 2012 team is a bunch of slouches defensively.. And I used Dumars as undersized and not that athletic because that's who he was.. He was one of the best defensives guards ever, like you mentioned, without a doubt.. But thats because he wanted to be.. Defense like I said earlier is probably 90% heart and hustle, you have to want to be good a defense to be good at defense.. Anybody around the same athletic ability and size can guard and slow down somebody if they really want to.. That was my point. I never said Jordan couldn't or wouldn't dominate this team. Or that he wouldn't go off all over Kobe Bryant. All I said was that he could be slowed, and I 100% believe that despite the fact that I'm the biggest Jordan fan I know and hate Kobe probably more than any player I've ever watched..
It's not like Jordan is going to take enough shots on a team full of superstars to completely destroy this team. Like I said that didn't happen in 92' against foreign slouches and it sure wouldn't happen now in 12' against the best players in the NBA.. It would be a team offensive and team defensive game, and in my opinion the 92' team would come away with a comfy win just as I have been saying all along lol.. I still believe LeBron would have the most complete game win or lose when looking at his total points, rebounds, assists and what not, he's a tough matchup for them and doesn't mind deferring if they key on him, however I do not at all believe he or anybody else would dominate.. If anybody was going to actually be dominant in the game I would have to say David Robinson agains Tyson Chandler.. He should own him.. Just my opinions..

[ojandpizza]

Also I never compared Kobe to Jordan, I hate those arguments and don't think their game is even in comparison.. I don't think Kobe is even the best player in the league now much less could even be mentioned with the best player ever.

[daveberg]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I can't believe this is even in discussion.

Dream team. All day. Every Day.

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

That's my point though, the whole team would be guarding Jordan. It's not like this would be a game of one on one or that the 2012 team is a bunch of slouches defensively.. And I used Dumars as undersized and not that athletic because that's who he was.. He was one of the best defensives guards ever, like you mentioned, without a doubt.. But thats because he wanted to be.. Defense like I said earlier is probably 90% heart and hustle, you have to want to be good a defense to be good at defense.. Anybody around the same athletic ability and size can guard and slow down somebody if they really want to.. That was my point. I never said Jordan couldn't or wouldn't dominate this team. Or that he wouldn't go off all over Kobe Bryant. All I said was that he could be slowed, and I 100% believe that despite the fact that I'm the biggest Jordan fan I know and hate Kobe probably more than any player I've ever watched..
It's not like Jordan is going to take enough shots on a team full of superstars to completely destroy this team. Like I said that didn't happen in 92' against foreign slouches and it sure wouldn't happen now in 12' against the best players in the NBA.. It would be a team offensive and team defensive game, and in my opinion the 92' team would come away with a comfy win just as I have been saying all along lol.. I still believe LeBron would have the most complete game win or lose when looking at his total points, rebounds, assists and what not, he's a tough matchup for them and doesn't mind deferring if they key on him, however I do not at all believe he or anybody else would dominate.. If anybody was going to actually be dominant in the game I would have to say David Robinson agains Tyson Chandler.. He should own him.. Just my opinions..

My reply was more in addition than a rebuttal. I agree with most of your points. The only thing I questioned was Kobe slowing down Jordan and how you referenced Dumars. As for Dumars you said as if many slow nonathletic players could do what Dumars did. Just not true. Defense is effort though, I get where you're going with it. He's just an extreme that's not a good example for the point. We haven't seen a defender on Dumars' level with that lack of size and athleticism... ever.

[ojandpizza]

My reply was more in addition than a rebuttal. I agree with most of your points. The only thing I questioned was Kobe slowing down Jordan and how you referenced Dumars. As for Dumars you said as if many slow nonathletic players could do what Dumars did. Just not true. Defense is effort though, I get where you're going with it. He's just an extreme that's not a good example for the point. We haven't seen a defender on Dumars' level with that lack of size and athleticism... ever.

True, I used Bruce Bowen earlier I think too. Maybe that's a better example lol

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

True, I used Bruce Bowen earlier I think too. Maybe that's a better example lol

Probably but I may give him the athletic edge over Dumars. But yeah, perfect example of a guy that just went at it harder on the defensive end than everybody else (and smarter).

[TajDeni]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

smh, another thread of Jordan was a God, Son, you must have forgotten that Jordan was a 99 everything create a player.

another thread of tearing down any player mentioned in the same breath as Jordan.

if these 2 teams played in a championship game, Jordan couldnt possibly have an offnight shooting. and if he did have an offnight shooting, it couldnt possibly be because any other player (say like a bigger, stronger, faster, quicker LBJ) on any given night/game could do a decent job guarding him.

to whoever, learn from other ppl's mistakes and do yourself a favor, stop arguing with Jordan Fans; because its not enough for them that Jordan is considered to be the Greatest Of All Time. Its, if you mention any player in the same sentence with MJ, it always (never fails) turns into a Jordan was a 99 everything created player and every other great player in history was a D-Leaguer in comparison to him.

so now ima get flamed, but i got my fireman suit, so ya know what i dont even care because the truth hurts: Jordan Fanboys are the worst imo.

Carry-On :wink: , Ive banned myself from this thread.