92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Nobody is stopping you from making your case as to why/how Jordan could get slowed down against some of today's players.

I mean you say "the truth hurts", so tell us what that truth is as opposed to just saying "Jordan Fanboys are the worst, all they do is praise the god named Jordan because he can never do wrong".

[bkrich83]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Is this really a question? Ridiculous.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Teams be damned, I'd pay a lot of money to see MJ vs LBJ.

[TajDeni]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Nobody is stopping you from making your case as to why/how Jordan could get slowed down against some of today's players.

I mean you say "the truth hurts", so tell us what that truth is as opposed to just saying "Jordan Fanboys are the worst, all they do is praise the god named Jordan because he can never do wrong".

i can but i will not because it is my personal opinion that many, but not all, Jordan fans are beyond unreasonable. not all of them but alot of then believe that Jordan was a 99 everything create a player. 4 as GREAT as Jordan was they find a way to mystify him even further and further as time echoes on.

if my use of the word fanboy bothers you than please substitute it for another word that is less bothersome to you.

maybe fanboy is not a good word to use and i can see how it could bother some folks, but i dont know of another word that better captures how i persoanlly feel on the topic. so again if the word fanboy sits wrong with you, then please substitute it with another.

true debate can only be had when both sides are open to all possiblities, and when 1 side is unreasonably passionate in 1 direction, then debate becomes pointless.

in the end i just think his fans, in particular, go too too far in tearing down of other great players in order to build him up; not just here on this board but everywhere.

sometimes it just gets to me, is all.

edit: when i say his fans are the worst i mean in relationship to other great players fan base, ie: Kobe, Lebron, Magic, or whoever. No other fanbase attempts to tear down more players than MJ's.

[FrankCOV]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

not even comparable smh

[KG]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

This is generally the point I was making about "most dominant" player. I'll take the team defense of the 92 team over the 2012 team any day of the week. And they would focus on stopping Lebron... considering the type of player Lebron is, he'd be fine facilitating in that situation. He would have a complete game but wouldn't be the most dominant on that alone.

I also brought up the other Olympics bc the US didn't win the Gold in 04 and had battles in 08. The 92 team completely destroyed everyone. So, in comparison, literally anyone could've ended up being the MVP, most dominant, whatever you want to call it in 92. They could've subbed strictly on a timer and ran circles around the competition. In 04 the team obviously needed to work as a team, have a real game plan, etc. And in THAT situation, Lebron wasn't the most dominant. Similarly in 08 they really needed SOMEBODY to step up and take charge and that wasn't Lebron either. We'll see about this year... he did it last night. But against the 92 team, I have no doubt he wouldn't "dominate".

You're stretching it with Kobe "slowing Jordan down" though. 2012 Kobe isn't in his prime. He's not slowing anybody on that team down besides maybe Bird... let alone prime Jordan.



When mentioning Dumars most think "one of the best defensive guards ever" more than "undersized and not that athletic" so that's a really, really bad example.

Not to mention no one player on that team slowed Jordan down. He drove and they close lined, pile drove and upper cut him every time he entered the lane. Definitely a team defensive strategy and one that didn't really work either. Jordan would score or get fouled whenever he wanted to. People like to compare Kobe to Jordan but the biggest comparison in this regard is FG%. Jordan was a volume shooter who took his share of jump shots and shot over 50% for his career. He was about as close to unstoppable as any wing player could ever be. There is a reason he's never lost a championship game/series (including two trips to the Olympics).

The perimeter defense of this team is much better. Jordan & Pip were great defenders and even Stockton to some extent but the ball pressure that the PGs can apply make huge differences in not letting teams get into their half-court offenses.

Spain, France, and an old Argentina are much better than those Kukoc led teams. Toni was their best player( and not in his prime yet) and he was a slightly above avgerage NBA player, never an all star like Ginobli, Parker, or the Gasols. Not too mention that these players are used to playing vs NBA guys and have MUCH better coaches, some with NBA experience.

Id still pick the 92 team but it would be fun seeing the 2012 team throw athletic defenders at MJ. The 92 bigs would have been a problem but let's not act like Robinson and Ewing were bangers down low. That was prime Chuck & Malone though before all the jumpers.

[KG]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

4.

Kobe, LeBron, Durant, Paul being generous.

Rest, no chance. Different eras too. Guys like Griffin, Harden, Chandler etc. would get absolutely abused.

I have no problem saying that if these two teams could ever somehow play using time travel and advanced cryogenics, that the 92 Dream Team would wash this 2012 roster. Easy. Blowout.

LOL @ 2 people voting for the 2012 squad. Smfh.

How can you say "being generous"?

Kobe & Lebron are locks
CP3 will get in
Durant is well on his way to being a lock

If George Gervin is in the HOF then Melo has a good chance. You're sleeping on the kind of #'s some of these current 2012 kids are going to put up because they came into the league so young.

Kevin Love was 20 & 15 in his 3rd year, 24&12 in his 4th at 23 yrs old.
Westbrook - 22/8/5 at 22, in the NBA Finals at 23 dropping 40+.
Deron Williams - 18 & 9 for his career. Has talent around him to be a playoff team for years to come.

Only Chandler & Iguadola are guys that for sure won't get in but I'd like to let these KIDS play out the rest of their careers before I judge them.

[GP Mercy]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

smh, another thread of Jordan was a God, Son, you must have forgotten that Jordan was a 99 everything create a player.

another thread of tearing down any player mentioned in the same breath as Jordan.

if these 2 teams played in a championship game, Jordan couldnt possibly have an offnight shooting. and if he did have an offnight shooting, it couldnt possibly be because any other player (say like a bigger, stronger, faster, quicker LBJ) on any given night/game could do a decent job guarding him.

to whoever, learn from other ppl's mistakes and do yourself a favor, stop arguing with Jordan Fans; because its not enough for them that Jordan is considered to be the Greatest Of All Time. Its, if you mention any player in the same sentence with MJ, it always (never fails) turns into a Jordan was a 99 everything created player and every other great player in history was a D-Leaguer in comparison to him.

so now ima get flamed, but i got my fireman suit, so ya know what i dont even care because the truth hurts: Jordan Fanboys are the worst imo.

Carry-On :wink: , Ive banned myself from this thread.

Michael Jordan is the only basketball player to have ever played that comes close or actually being the greatest of all time. There's a reason for all the things that he accomplished, and for him to have done so makes his legacy legitimate.

Back to the topic, the Dream Team would wreck the 08' and 12' team off basketball IQ alone; add in athleticism, and it's a blowout.

[23]

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i can but i will not because it is my personal opinion that many, but not all, Jordan fans are beyond unreasonable. not all of them but alot of then believe that Jordan was a 99 everything create a player. 4 as GREAT as Jordan was they find a way to mystify him even further and further as time echoes on.

if my use of the word fanboy bothers you than please substitute it for another word that is less bothersome to you.

maybe fanboy is not a good word to use and i can see how it could bother some folks, but i dont know of another word that better captures how i persoanlly feel on the topic. so again if the word fanboy sits wrong with you, then please substitute it with another.

true debate can only be had when both sides are open to all possiblities, and when 1 side is unreasonably passionate in 1 direction, then debate becomes pointless.

in the end i just think his fans, in particular, go too too far in tearing down of other great players in order to build him up; not just here on this board but everywhere.

sometimes it just gets to me, is all.

edit: when i say his fans are the worst i mean in relationship to other great players fan base, ie: Kobe, Lebron, Magic, or whoever. No other fanbase attempts to tear down more players than MJ's.

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read

Don't come on here calling people fanboys and talking about how people wont debate your properly after making the insane comments you just made

Dont even come here and say anything if you wont state your case. Don't be a chicken, say what you have to say or just move on... I can't respect what you're doing right now because you're posting like a coward

Nobody comes here to post by your rules, as long as it within the TOS the site has nothing against a stated case so please just stop it

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read

Don't come on here calling people fanboys and talking about how people wont debate your properly after making the insane comments you just made

Dont even come here and say anything if you wont state your case. Don't be a chicken, say what you have to say or just move on... I can't respect what you're doing right now because you're posting like a coward

Nobody comes here to post by your rules, as long as it within the TOS the site has nothing against a stated case so please just stop it

Just an addition to this from a mod perspective. This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've done something like this. Everyone in this thread has been comparing the TEAMS, of which Jordan is a member of. You isolated one player and went on a rant. Your post is technically trolling as it's off topic and adds absolutely nothing to the topic, in addition to throwing a general shot at an unnamed group of people. As mentioned, state your case if you care to do so. But the next thread you go in to just rant about how others are posting and you're gone.

[amra01]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

The perimeter defense of this team is much better. Jordan & Pip were great defenders and even Stockton to some extent but the ball pressure that the PGs can apply make huge differences in not letting teams get into their half-court offenses.

Spain, France, and an old Argentina are much better than those Kukoc led teams. Toni was their best player( and not in his prime yet) and he was a slightly above avgerage NBA player, never an all star like Ginobli, Parker, or the Gasols. Not too mention that these players are used to playing vs NBA guys and have MUCH better coaches, some with NBA experience.

Id still pick the 92 team but it would be fun seeing the 2012 team throw athletic defenders at MJ. The 92 bigs would have been a problem but let's not act like Robinson and Ewing were bangers down low. That was prime Chuck & Malone though before all the jumpers.

France is a mediocre team has never won anything parker is a very good player Batum can be a very good player also but that's it. Argentina is a great team but old and Spain is best spanish national team ever although without rubio. Croatia had drazen petrovic at his best .518 Fg .449 3p 22.3 ppg in the nba not that bad for a european superstar that had won everything in europe and with the ugoslavian national team.
Tony Kukoc was already a superstar in europe he was a european magic johnson playing every position dino radja was a beast down low and a high Iq player and they also had some 7.2 athletic footer named vrankovic who could guard and block every big guy of todays game. the other big team was Lithuania with Sabonis and marciulionis the golden state warriors fans will remember him he had like 18 pp per game and above 50% fg
1992 Croatia and Lithuania could beat Spain, Argentina, France.

[TajDeni]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

i feel the way i feel about it, nobody is going to change my opinion. threats or not. not tryna be tough about but threating me with a ban is not gonna make me change my beliefs on the matter.

so ima get kicked off the site cause i think Jordan fans are the worst, insofar as tearing othre great players down. so its all good when you guys tear down other players? and ya can go ahead and pretend that yall dont because i read the threads. ive seen it with my own 2 eyes.

so its ok for yall to take unwarrented shots at other players when it comes to Jordan but when someone takes a shot at Jordan or more importantly the ppl taking the shots then its problematic.

you say this is my 2nd time, yes it is my 2nd time calling folks out 4 always tryna tear down other players thats all i did the 1st time. i may not post but i love bball and i read these bball threads every single day. and i know what i see, atleast from my POV. so what im getting here is that its of to take shots at other great players just not Jordan or his Fanbase.

so its ok to clown ppl who dont agree 4 whatever reason with all the Jordan love up in here. its ok to tell ppl they have no clue what theyre talking about, to completely disregard their opinions cause they dont agree about whatever with Jordan. but call out those same ppl being less than pleasant to other folks who dont agree with the Jordan idiology then its do it again and your gone.

oh, my bad its because i used the word fansboys. even tho i never ever not 1 time singled out 1 any particular person or anyones personal post and to attack it.

4 the record the only reason i dont go in with my perspective is that ive seen how you guys roll in regards to Jordan. why would i give my opinion? ive seen how some of you guys roll over here in the basketball threads, its nothing but tag-teaming going on everyday. i already know how yall roll over here. but again i never singled out 1 single person.

cant believe i got threaten with a ban because i said jordan fans were fanboys and that imo there are the worst group of fans, even tho i didnt single out 1 single person.

but i tell ya what, you dont have to worry about me ill stay out of yall Jordan threads because i dont like the way yall roll over here anyways.

[DieHardYankee26]

i feel the way i feel about it, nobody is going to change my opinion. so ima get kicked off the site cause i think Jordan fans are the worst. so its all good when you guys tear down other players? and ya can go ahead and pretend that yall dont because i read the threads. ive seen it with my own eyes.

so its ok for yall to take unwarrented shots at other players when it comes to Jordan but when someone takes a shot at jordan. you say this is my 2nd time when all i did b4 was call out the fact that people were taking unwarrented shots at tearing down other great players. so its ok, to take shots at other great players just not jordan or his fanbase. so its ok to clown ppl who dont agree 4 whatever reason with all the Jordan love up in here. its ok to tell ppl they have no clue what theyre talking about. but call out the ppl being less than pleasant to other folks who dont agree with the Jordan idiology then its do it again and your gone.

oh, my bad its because i used the word fansboys. even tho i never ever singled out 1 single person or anyones personal post and attack it.

4 the record the only reason i dont go in with my perspective is that ive seen why would i give my opinion? i see how you guys roll over here in the basketball threads, its nothing but tag-teaming going on everyday. i already know how yall roll over here.

can believe i got threaten with a ban because i said jordan fans were fanboys and that imo there are the worst group of fans, even tho i didnt single out 1 single person. lame! you dont have to worry about me ill stay out of yall threads because i dont like the way ayll roll over here anyways.

Gonna be honest, I only skimmed over this post because I couldn't really understand what you're trying to say, but this is the reason you've been threatened. The mod told you to come with a case or don't come at all. There was no reason for you to respond to it if you weren't going to state your case. I'm not a mod, but I don't like to see people get banned, so I would suggest you either come with a case to support your claims or do as you said you did and "ban yourself from the thread".

[TajDeni]

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Gonna be honest, I only skimmed over this post because I couldn't really understand what you're trying to say, but this is the reason you've been threatened. The mod told you to come with a case or don't come at all. There was no reason for you to respond to it if you weren't going to state your case. I'm not a mod, but I don't like to see people get banned, so I would suggest you either come with a case to support your claims or do as you said you did and "ban yourself from the thread".

ive cleaned it up, and i have banned myself, i just didnt like being threatened that why i posted. especially when ive seen with my own to eyes what my post was referring to. but ill move on.

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

i feel the way i feel about it, nobody is going to change my opinion. threats or not. not tryna be tough about but threating me with a ban is not gonna make me change my beliefs on the matter.

so ima get kicked off the site cause i think Jordan fans are the worst, insofar as tearing othre great players down. so its all good when you guys tear down other players? and ya can go ahead and pretend that yall dont because i read the threads. ive seen it with my own 2 eyes.

so its ok for yall to take unwarrented shots at other players when it comes to Jordan but when someone takes a shot at Jordan or more importantly the ppl taking the shots then its problematic.

you say this is my 2nd time, yes it is my 2nd time calling folks out 4 always tryna tear down other players thats all i did the 1st time. i may not post but i love bball and i read these bball threads every single day. and i know what i see, atleast from my POV. so what im getting here is that its of to take shots at other great players just not Jordan or his Fanbase.

so its ok to clown ppl who dont agree 4 whatever reason with all the Jordan love up in here. its ok to tell ppl they have no clue what theyre talking about, to completely disregard their opinions cause they dont agree about whatever with Jordan. but call out those same ppl being less than pleasant to other folks who dont agree with the Jordan idiology then its do it again and your gone.

oh, my bad its because i used the word fansboys. even tho i never ever not 1 time singled out 1 any particular person or anyones personal post and to attack it.

4 the record the only reason i dont go in with my perspective is that ive seen how you guys roll in regards to Jordan. why would i give my opinion? ive seen how some of you guys roll over here in the basketball threads, its nothing but tag-teaming going on everyday. i already know how yall roll over here. but again i never singled out 1 single person.

cant believe i got threaten with a ban because i said jordan fans were fanboys and that imo there are the worst group of fans, even tho i didnt single out 1 single person.

but i tell ya what, you dont have to worry about me ill stay out of yall Jordan threads because i dont like the way yall roll over here anyways.

ive cleaned it up, and i have banned myself, i just didnt like being threatened that why i posted. especially when ive seen with my own to eyes what my post was referring to. but ill move on.

My post was extremely clear. You can try to play the victim all you want. The problem with your post is that it's off topic and doesn't even attempt to address the topic. You've followed that up with another completely off topic post. Another and you will be gone. All this extra is unnecessary. Any further problems, feel free to take it up with Aaron or Mil. Otherwise, post on topic or not at all... I don't care what you agree or disagree with, you can write a book about it as long as it's on topic.