Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

From the other thread, smallest markets:

1. New Orleans
2. Memphis
3. Oklahoma City
4. San Antonio
5. Milwaukee
6. Utah
7. Indiana
8. Charlotte
9. Portland
10. Sacramento

Pack, I see 3 teams with 4 all-stars, and at least 4 teams with 3 all-stars..

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

You asked a question that made no sense. You're asking if it's a coincidence that only one team has 5 all-stars in their starting lineup. I ask you, which team is this? I don't know one that exists in the league. Like I said, I know of three teams with around 4 all-star caliber players.

I'm guessing Ron Artest is an All Star now....

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

The 23 vs Ex rivalry is one of the most underrated on this board.

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Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

The 23 vs Ex rivalry is one of the most underrated on this board.

Is that you Broussard?

Yes Ron has been an all star before Pack.. but again, that was only a portion of the point I was making which is okay that it was passed over

No need to continue with it. All teams are created equal here lol

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

If you think Ron Artest is an all-star, then your hate juice has been spiked.

He is still a great defender but no where close to the all-star he was when he was with the Pacers.

The Lakers have the glitz and glamour to go with an incredibly smart front office, high quality coaching, and great leadership both on and off the court. It also helps that they are incredibly lucky as well.

The Lakers would be a successful team in any NBA market. It has nothing to do with their market size or any of that bull**** that some people are spouting off about.

It's funny, sports these days have been all about being copy cats. And it seems that every model, from the Jordan Bulls to the the Duncan Spurs has been copied except for the most successful model in the NBA, the Lakers model.

Again, the balance of power has nothing to do with market size or anything like that. It's about managing money, great scouting, hiring good coaches, and willing to win at any costs.

If it were all about market size, the Knicks would have won a title in the last...3 decades.

[Majingir]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

I think the main thing NBA needs to do, is stop having all these top players just wanting to go to specific cities all the time. The "super team era" will hurt all the lower team markets in the NBA alot.

Then people might be like "but if ___ does bad, they get a good pick", you can say that, but then you can also say that in a few years after that, the player ends up leaving the city.

I think NBA, just like MLB, will continue to have this problem until the day they add a stricter salary cap. Doesn't have to be a hard cap like NHL, but still has to be stricter

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Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

If you think Ron Artest is an all-star, then your hate juice has been spiked.

He is still a great defender but no where close to the all-star he was when he was with the Pacers.

The Lakers have the glitz and glamour to go with an incredibly smart front office, high quality coaching, and great leadership both on and off the court. It also helps that they are incredibly lucky as well.

The Lakers would be a successful team in any NBA market. It has nothing to do with their market size or any of that bull**** that some people are spouting off about.

It's funny, sports these days have been all about being copy cats. And it seems that every model, from the Jordan Bulls to the the Duncan Spurs has been copied except for the most successful model in the NBA, the Lakers model.

Again, the balance of power has nothing to do with market size or anything like that. It's about managing money, great scouting, hiring good coaches, and willing to win at any costs.

If it were all about market size, the Knicks would have won a title in the last...3 decades.

OSU I didn't say or mean to give you the impression that Ron Artest is an all star, but again, that was all apart of a bigger point I was making... you are straining at a gnat... Cmon man

]The Lakers have the glitz and glamour to go with an incredibly smart front office, high quality coaching, and great leadership both on and off the court. It also helps that they are incredibly lucky as well.

What I can say is from what you're saying, you didn't read my post so I won't respond to that part.. im not exactly sure who your post is in response to.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

From the other thread, smallest markets:

1. New Orleans
2. Memphis
3. Oklahoma City
4. San Antonio
5. Milwaukee
6. Utah
7. Indiana
8. Charlotte
9. Portland
10. Sacramento

Pack, I see 3 teams with 4 all-stars, and at least 4 teams with 3 all-stars..

Oh I was just saying that's probably what Dre meant when he said there's only 1 team with 5 All Stars in the starting lineup.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

OSU I didn't say or mean to give you the impression that Ron Artest is an all star, but again, that was all apart of a bigger point I was making... you are straining at a gnat... Cmon man






What I can say is from what you're saying, you didn't read my post so I won't respond to that part.. im not exactly sure who your post is in response to.

Most of my post was talking about the general point in order to eliminate the Lakers being a power simply by market size.

The only thing I was referencing to you was the Ron Artest thing, when you implied that the Lakers have a lineup of 5 all-stars.

As for MB, well, until they hired Brown, which was a very un-Laker thing to do, they hired some really good head coaches.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

The 23 vs Ex rivalry is one of the most underrated on this board.

Don't know about anyone else but I always wondered if they were related the way they go at it and the way Dre speaks on everything Laker related LOL.

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Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Most of my post was talking about the general point in order to eliminate the Lakers being a power simply by market size.

The only thing I was referencing to you was the Ron Artest thing, when you implied that the Lakers have a lineup of 5 all-stars.

As for MB, well, until they hired Brown, which was a very un-Laker thing to do, they hired some really good head coaches.

Touche':wink:

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

We know Bosh refused to team with LeBron in Cleveland.

I'm not sure anybody believe being on a glam team is the end all be all. However how can you make a case that it doesn't give significant advantages that non-glam teams simply don't have.

The glam team advantages are growing. Once again it's no coincidence that all these stars/superstars are ending up on those teams.

Yes, you are correct. But you have the causality reversed.

What I'm saying is that what makes a club a "glam team" is HAVING superstars, not being a big market.

Miami is a "glam team" BECAUSE they have Wade, LeBron, and Bosh. Nobody thought Miami was a "glam team" four years ago when they went 15-67.

I think certain teams seems to find some kind of extra push or help or get a ton of breaks for some reason

LA has NEVER had to build through the draft like an OKC or SA

The Spurs won 4 rings in the 200's.... FOUR! and the NBA and media casted them as boring the entire time. They never got the real support they should have, and every year after that has been aw they're finished theyre done, yet these guys always find no namers and make good on them every single year

NY has been trash for a long time but that was becuase of the management turmoil that went on for so many years, Laden, Isaiah, and once Walsh came in he began to clean things up, until Isaiah got back involved.

What I don't like is how a team in a large market can afford more than another because of the tax, which should be there to stifle unfair advantages not just make a team shell out more money

No other team in the league has an all star starting 5 except for one team
Its not a coincidence at all is it?

I'm not really sure what you're saying.

Yes, some teams spend more than others, but that's not always a function of market size.

Houston is one of the largest sports markets in North America, but they're dead last in payroll because they're building around young, inexpensive players.

Look at San Antonio, Boston, and Dallas. Those are veteran teams who have all won titles recently, are still considered contenders, and rank 12th, 15th, and 17th respectively in payroll.

Let's try another experiment.

Take a look at the teams who are paying players the most money this season.

As I said, San Antonio is sitting at number 12.

Let's look at the top 11, and whether or not they're considered title contenders this year.

Lakers: Yes.

Nets: No.

Heat: Yes.

Sixers: No.

Magic: No.

Bulls: No.

Knicks: No.

Blazers: No.

Warriors: No.

Clippers: No.

Grizzlies: No.

So, of the top 11 teams in salary for this season, only two of them are actually in serious contention for a title.


There are more title contenders -- the Spurs, Thunder, and Mavericks -- ranked in the 12-17 slots on the payroll list than there are in the top 11.

So, sure, you're probably not going to win a title with one of the absolute lowest payrolls in the league.

But I really don't think that spending a ton of money guarantees in any way that you're going to contend for a title. As long as you're not one of the bottom 10 or so teams in spending, and you make solid personnel decisions, you can probably contend for a title.

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Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Im not arguing spending more or market Z

I don't think the OP is totally off because the NBA is more concerned about money than anything else it seems, and that has reared its head too many times to ignore.

I just think he pinpointed the wrong thing, which it may be a combination of things about this league that stops it from functioning at its full potential

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

What would you change?

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Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

First and foremost, the inconsistency in the way the rules are enforced.

I honestly think that is their easiest thing to make happen but they wont touch it in favor of protecting thier referees