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  • 8and9
    Fighting a War & Gaming
    • Jul 2005
    • 722

    #346
    Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

    Good win for the Mavs, definite confident booster for the team.

    I'm hoping to see a better game by Mayo vs Utah tonight.

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    • Amoo316
      MVP
      • Mar 2010
      • 3609

      #347
      Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

      I know everybody on the LA bandwagon thinks they need to be playing to Nash's talents and rushing teams up and down the floor...etc.

      How on God's green earth does that get them past OKC or MIA? OKC was faster, younger, more athletic, and from my memory, dominated the fast break game against LA last year. Does anybody really feel like adding Nash and D12 makes them a better fast break team then the Thunder?

      Let's say they did manage to get by a Hardenless OKC with that style, it would be a 4 game slaughter fest against MIA. Playing up-tempo ball against the Heatles is just suicide. If the Lakers want to compete with these two teams (we'll just ignore the danger in SA atm) they need to slow the game down and force them into half-court sets.

      The Princeton offense is going to benefit Gasol, and I think Nash can play in it and be effective. Kobe is going to get his regardless of the offense. We'll see how D12 does in it, since passing isn't one of his strengths. It may not be the perfect offense for this collection, but it makes a lot more sense from my perspective then trying to speed things up and run with teams they aren't going to be able to run with.
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #348
        Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

        Originally posted by Amoo316
        I know everybody on the LA bandwagon thinks they need to be playing to Nash's talents and rushing teams up and down the floor...etc.

        How on God's green earth does that get them past OKC or MIA? OKC was faster, younger, more athletic, and from my memory, dominated the fast break game against LA last year. Does anybody really feel like adding Nash and D12 makes them a better fast break team then the Thunder?

        Let's say they did manage to get by a Hardenless OKC with that style, it would be a 4 game slaughter fest against MIA. Playing up-tempo ball against the Heatles is just suicide. If the Lakers want to compete with these two teams (we'll just ignore the danger in SA atm) they need to slow the game down and force them into half-court sets.

        The Princeton offense is going to benefit Gasol, and I think Nash can play in it and be effective. Kobe is going to get his regardless of the offense. We'll see how D12 does in it, since passing isn't one of his strengths. It may not be the perfect offense for this collection, but it makes a lot more sense from my perspective then trying to speed things up and run with teams they aren't going to be able to run with.
        I don't think the answer is one way or the other. It needs to be a mix of Nash handling the ball, shooting more, pick and rolling, dribbling and probing more with a combination of the princeton. Right now Steve Nash looks like Steve Blake out there. He's been relegated to Derek Fisher. Blake handed out more assists in less time than Nash last night. That should never happen in any 48 minute basketball game under any system.

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        • Kashanova
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2003
          • 12695

          #349
          Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

          Originally posted by CMH
          I kind of agree but then don't. I think Nash is a good fit for any team so long as that team allows him to be Nash.

          And maybe the Lakers won't because of Kobe? Though I don't think Kobe is the problem. The Lakers seemed to be just fine in their offense in the first quarter. The 2nd was mostly a mess. I went to sleep at half time.

          What bothered me most is watching Nash become a regular point guard in the new offense. I didn't see him driving the lane, taking running jumpers, head faking to create space by the free throw line. He just passed the ball off and ran to a new spot.

          If Mike Brown truly believes his offense is better by nullifying Nash's talents then he's as stubborn as Mike D'Antoni.


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          That's the thing I don't think Nash will be able to be Nash on that team, unless kobe is fine taking 18 shots a game and being and catch and shoot guy... I just don't see it... Just to be clear the Laker offense can be pretty good but in terms of Nash putting up those numbers he usually does I don't see it happening with a guy like Kobe on his team. I said the same thing for the Nash to Knicks rumors. It would be the same scenario with Carmelo I think but not as much as it is for Kobe.

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          • Amoo316
            MVP
            • Mar 2010
            • 3609

            #350
            Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            I don't think the answer is one way or the other. It needs to be a mix of Nash handling the ball, shooting more, pick and rolling, dribbling and probing more with a combination of the princeton. Right now Steve Nash looks like Steve Blake out there. He's been relegated to Derek Fisher. Blake handed out more assists in less time than Nash last night. That should never happen in any 48 minute basketball game under any system.
            I agree with you on all points. I don't think Princeton is the worst thing they could be doing, and I agree Nash looks lost in it and he needs some freedom, but I've read too much about people on the other extreme (including Chuck and boys last night) and it would just be suicide.
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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #351
              Originally posted by Amoo316
              I know everybody on the LA bandwagon thinks they need to be playing to Nash's talents and rushing teams up and down the floor...etc.

              How on God's green earth does that get them past OKC or MIA? OKC was faster, younger, more athletic, and from my memory, dominated the fast break game against LA last year. Does anybody really feel like adding Nash and D12 makes them a better fast break team then the Thunder?

              Let's say they did manage to get by a Hardenless OKC with that style, it would be a 4 game slaughter fest against MIA. Playing up-tempo ball against the Heatles is just suicide. If the Lakers want to compete with these two teams (we'll just ignore the danger in SA atm) they need to slow the game down and force them into half-court sets.

              The Princeton offense is going to benefit Gasol, and I think Nash can play in it and be effective. Kobe is going to get his regardless of the offense. We'll see how D12 does in it, since passing isn't one of his strengths. It may not be the perfect offense for this collection, but it makes a lot more sense from my perspective then trying to speed things up and run with teams they aren't going to be able to run with.
              I personally am not asking for Nash to run and gun.

              I'm asking for Nash to be allowed to create off the dribble.

              The offense seemed to force him to pass the ball early. Nash should have the ball for most of the shot clock. If you make him pass with 15 left on the clock, you are essentially making him a guy playing the point guard position rather than Steve Nash, point guard.

              Lots of worse points in the league hold the ball longer. Nash looked very out of his element.

              I'm not saying he has to have the ball every time up court. I love the plays Gasol can run from the top of the key. It's a thing of beauty. And with Howard on the other side, it's like a coach's dream to know what sets you can run off that.

              But you also have to realize you can't nullify the skill set of Steve Nash. This system works if its Fisher out there.

              It's not Fisher.


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              • Kashanova
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 12695

                #352
                Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                Yes he did, it was all his idea. He was thinking about implementing it at the end of last season.

                Nash really isn't the same guy we're all used to, which is sad. His stop and go, his speed, burst, they're all slow as hell now. He even got picked in the back court, the first time I've ever seen that. Even if they weren't in the princeton offense I'd wonder if Nash would look that much better. I have my doubts. He is 39 after all.
                Nash probably won't be the same guy in LA because he won't have the ball as much as he's used to. If yesterday was any indication of how much he will have the ball then it won't be much at all. I don't think he went from 6 months ago still having all those tools to not having it at all that's a huge drop off

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                • SteelersFreak
                  All Star
                  • May 2004
                  • 9582

                  #353
                  Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                  Originally posted by mkharsh33
                  Here's hypocrisy in its greatest form:

                  "The Lakers have all these new guys, playing in a new offense, and it will take some time to mesh."

                  And yet: the Mavericks trotted out a team missing Nowitzki, Kaman (their starting PF and C), and have NINE new players on their roster...

                  The storyline shouldn't have been about LA - it SHOULD have been about the Mavs...

                  Funny how we hand out free passes when it fits OUR ideas and perceptions...
                  lol at the idea that the media will EVER focus on the Mavericks. They didn't even focus on us when we won the ****ing Finals.
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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #354
                    Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                    Originally posted by Kashanova
                    Nash probably won't be the same guy in LA because he won't have the ball as much as he's used to. If yesterday was any indication of how much he will have the ball then it won't be much at all. I don't think he went from 6 months ago still having all those tools to not having it at all that's a huge drop off
                    Did you watch Nash play at all last year. The drop off happened long before last night.

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                    • Chrisksaint
                      $$$
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19127

                      #355
                      Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                      Plus at this rate Austin Rivers is bound to break his ankle the way he's left the last 2 preseason games with injury.

                      Oh well if we tank another year and get another lottery pick that's cool with me
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                      • DamnYanks2
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 20794

                        #356
                        Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                        I think there's alot of over reacting going on, if they start losing games left and right here, then yea, it's time to jump off the building, but it's one game. Even if it was against a Dirkless Mav's team. The 1st quarter showed what the Lakers could be, and they just need to iron out some things.

                        I really think this team will be fine, and could be quite good, I just don't know if they will be able to hang with OKC, as of right now no...

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #357
                          Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          Did you watch Nash play at all last year. The drop off happened long before last night.
                          You know I haven't watch Nash played at all in PHX

                          But in all seriousness I'm not even sure what drop off you're talking about I saw a guy play last year who had no problem getting anywhere he wanted on the court, His defense has always been horrible so I won't talk on that side of the ball offensively I don't see a drop off I mean he had a career high in fg%, not only that but he was still able to average double digit assists.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #358
                            Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                            Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                            I think there's alot of over reacting going on, if they start losing games left and right here, then yea, it's time to jump off the building, but it's one game. Even if it was against a Dirkless Mav's team. The 1st quarter showed what the Lakers could be, and they just need to iron out some things.

                            I really think this team will be fine, and could be quite good, I just don't know if they will be able to hang with OKC, as of right now no...
                            I don't think too many people are overreacting here. I will tell you that LA will indeed lost games left and right. They are running a new offense with the great Mike Brown, Nash is old, Howard is playing into shape and their bench is still a big question mark.

                            However when it's all said and done if they're healthy at the end of the year they should be good to go for the playoffs.

                            It's going to be an underwhelming regular season IMO for them.

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                            • DamnYanks2
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 20794

                              #359
                              Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              I don't think too many people are overreacting here. I will tell you that LA will indeed lost games left and right. They are running a new offense with the great Mike Brown, Nash is old, Howard is playing into shape and their bench is still a big question mark.

                              However when it's all said and done if they're healthy at the end of the year they should be good to go for the playoffs.

                              It's going to be an underwhelming regular season IMO for them.
                              Well, yea I agree with that, their not gonna just magically mesh together in a week. Alot of question marks to start the season, but... I like what this team could be. Team's still not at full health either, I'm just not reading too much into this game. If they lost to the Raptors on opening night by 20, I wouldn't have thought much of it.

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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #360
                                Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                                Nets-Knicks game has been postponed and no replacement date has been made for it.

                                Honestly, this might be a blessing in disguise for the Nets.
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