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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28962

    #16
    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

    DX finally smartened up and moved Oladipo up about 17 slots. No comparison at all in terms of their play, but in terms of his draft stock I think it's going to be Westbrook all over again. His stock is going to continue to rise and I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up going #2 after Noel. I know that's who I'd take if Noel was off the board. I guess McLemore might be a tough guy to pass on but I'm gambling on a guy like VO with that level of athleticism and motor. He's just getting started too, he's going to improve so much at the next level.

    I haven't seen anything from Shabazz that would make me take him over VO.
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    • Yeah...THAT Guy
      Once in a Lifetime Memory
      • Dec 2006
      • 17294

      #17
      Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

      Originally posted by ehh
      DX finally smartened up and moved Oladipo up about 17 slots. No comparison at all in terms of their play, but in terms of his draft stock I think it's going to be Westbrook all over again. His stock is going to continue to rise and I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up going #2 after Noel. I know that's who I'd take if Noel was off the board. I guess McLemore might be a tough guy to pass on but I'm gambling on a guy like VO with that level of athleticism and motor. He's just getting started too, he's going to improve so much at the next level.

      I haven't seen anything from Shabazz that would make me take him over VO.
      Yeah, I think VO might be the safest pick in the draft in the same way that I said the same thing about Kenneth Faried a few years ago. A guy with that motor...it doesn't even matter if his skills don't develop that much. He's going to be in the league for a long time, and I'd put my money on a guy like that developing skills too.
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      • TheBrothers24
        SD/LA Chargers?
        • Sep 2007
        • 1915

        #18
        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

        Looking at Draft Express and two things jump out at me. 1st they have Isaiah Austin way to high. He seems to be nothing more than Brian Cook 2.0(that is not a compliment)

        2nd they have Otto Porter to low at 10. He should go top 5 because I see Pippens' ability to do a little bit of everything. Handle the rock, rebound, assist, get you 2 blocks and 2 steals a game & shoot 40% from behind the arc while doing it.
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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
          Once in a Lifetime Memory
          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #19
          Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by TheBrothers24
          Looking at Draft Express and two things jump out at me. 1st they have Isaiah Austin way to high. He seems to be nothing more than Brian Cook 2.0(that is not a compliment)

          2nd they have Otto Porter to low at 10. He should go top 5 because I see Pippens' ability to do a little bit of everything. Handle the rock, rebound, assist, get you 2 blocks and 2 steals a game & shoot 40% from behind the arc while doing it.
          Yeah, I mean, they haven't updated it since the end of February; I'd expect Porter to be around the top 5 when they update it.

          And I'd bet that Austin will be a lottery pick. High risk high reward kinda guy.
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          • 702
            Rookie
            • Aug 2005
            • 1165

            #20
            Originally posted by DutchMastah7
            I think this years draft will produce some surprise players, considering everyone is calling this a weak draft. I remember in 2010 people called it a weak draft year. In just 3 seasons we already see a bunch of good players.

            John Wall
            Evan Turner
            Derrick Favors
            DeMarcus Cousins
            Greg Monroe
            Gordon Hayward
            Paul George
            Ed Davis
            Larry Sanders
            Kevin Seraphin
            Eric Bledsoe
            Avery Bradley
            Jordan Crawford
            Greivis Vasquez
            Lance Stephenson

            Better draft than people projected. One All-Star, and about 3 or 4 potential all stars. I think this draft could be like 2010. No franchise guys, but a bunch of starter caliber players.

            This is probably my biggest pet peeve about the NBA. Every year someone will say the draft is weak. Literally every year you hear it, sometimes more than others. I read on RealGM last year "NBA scouts think this draft is weak after Anthony Davis". Last year's draft was rather loaded. It's just absurd. There are not bad drafts just bad GMs. There is simply too much young basketball talent in the world for a draft to truly be "bad".

            This article does a decent job making the point http://basketball.realgm.com/article...t-Bad-Drafters

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #21
              I wouldn't hardly call last years draft loaded

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              • 702
                Rookie
                • Aug 2005
                • 1165

                #22
                Loaded is too strong of a word. But it was a very good draft. The early perception was much like it is now for the 2014 draft. Just as people are saying this draft is weak and the 2014 draft is the one to look at, people were saying the same about the 2011 and 2012 versions. Just wait until, say, the Harrison twins struggle out of the gate. The same calls of a weak draft will be made.

                It turned into an (even more than normal) high risk high reward draft, but it still was deep with very talented players. Jeremy Lamb would of gone higher in another year. Same with Andre Drummond, John Henson, Harrison Barnes and Terrence Jones. Same with Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones despite their red flags. Players considered reaches in the top 10 (Waiters, Ross) have played above expectations and/or shown promise. Only two players in the lottery (Rivers and Marshall) really have any bust potential, barring random injuries.

                I mean, I know Perry Jones had his legitimate concerns, but there is no way he should of dropped to 28th in the draft. That just doesn't happen for someone that talented. That alone speaks to the quality and depth in last year's draft.

                Regardless of just how strong exactly you think last year's draft, I think anyone can agree to call it a weak draft was absurd. Which happened, because it happens every year. And its ridiculous.

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #23
                  I think people refer to weak drafts in terms of all-star potential talent out of the gate. And last years draft was lacking in that.

                  Sure you had all the guys you named, and they are decent role players without a doubt.

                  But the only big name in the draft who really lived up to his expectations was Lillard.. And maybe to an extent Beal but that's only because not too much was expected of him in the first place.

                  When a draft lottery in composed fully of bench players, some who struggle to even get minutes at all, it's always going to be considered a bust.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #24
                    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                    The thing is outside of the 03 Draft, how many Drafts(in the 21st century)have produced all star potential talent out of the gate though?

                    Even with Lilliard, there were no real expectations of him to come out and play like he has mainly because they were low in the first place despite him going 6th and because no one could get a good read on how good he would be since he played at Weber St and didn't really get much exposure.

                    That's why I always thought it was kinda ridiculous for folks to label a draft or players a "bust" when we're constantly told that these guys need time and that they need to be in the right environment for them to reach their potential or at the very least develop properly.
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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #25
                      But when a draft is full of guys who don't immediately produce its going to be considered a weak draft. That's just how it goes.

                      Obviously players need time to develop before we can call them a bust or not.

                      But as a whole, a lottery full of under performing rookies warrants a "weak" draft.

                      5 years from now we may look back and consider it a great draft, but as for before the draft I didn't see anything from any of those guys to argue that it would be anything other than a weak draft class.

                      There was only really 1 guy who was supposed to be for sure NBA ready, and he hasn't even touched his expectations. Not that he's been a bad rookie, he's been very good, he was just over hyped.

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                      • KG
                        Welcome Back
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 17583

                        #26
                        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                        I was afraid of Noel pre-ACL surgery. Still extremely raw in terms of offensive ability and defensively in the league his best value would be off-the-ball until he bulks up. Seems like a good kid with a good motor and I'll be rooting for him to succeed (even though he burned my Hoyas at the last minute, can't blame him for that either, lol).

                        I like McLemore in the sense that he has all the tools and no glaring weaknesses in his game. His only issue is that he's a little bit passive. Self has tried, and to some good results, to get him to step up. I think he's a little like Bradley Beal in that sense. Immense talent who tried to blend in at first but by the end of the year he was the clear standout on the team.

                        Love Oladipo. Developing jumper but he's an immediate impact on the defensive end. His offensive game has taken a huge leap from the time the season started so like ehh said, the Westbrook comparison is pretty good. Don't know if he's as crazy as Russ though.

                        I haven't seen Bennett play at all or Shabazz that much since the Gtown-UCLA game which was his first. I hope he does well since the NCAA screwed him.

                        I'm not a big fan of Zeller, Plumlee, or Len.
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                        • 702
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 1165

                          #27
                          @ojandpizza I think we just have a different definition as to what were trying to quantify here.

                          I'm not big on Zeller either, what do others think about him?

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                          • redsrule
                            All Star
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 9396

                            #28
                            Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                            I think Zeller is overrated. I would much rather have Willy Cauley Stein than him, because Stein has a boatload of potential and has looked a lot better since getting to start.

                            Regarding Noel, I think he is going to be a stud in the NBA. He's obviously an excellent defender and has a huge motor and a developing offensive game. Oladipo is the same way but I don't think he has the ceiling of McLemore, and I would much rather have Oladipo than Shabazz.
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                            • cavsfan2
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3902

                              #29
                              Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                              What do you guys think about Otto Porter? I personally really like him, my only complaint is that he is 6'8" and 205 pounds. He has to bulk up.

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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #30
                                Originally posted by cavsfan2
                                What do you guys think about Otto Porter? I personally really like him, my only complaint is that he is 6'8" and 205 pounds. He has to bulk up.
                                I really think he's overrated. Good size and athleticism. But I really think he will struggle as a ball handler and to create his own shot at the next level.

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