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  • TheBrothers24
    SD/LA Chargers?
    • Sep 2007
    • 1915

    #61
    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by redsrule
    Archie Goodwin & CJ Leslie declared for the draft. I feel that is a big mistake for Goodwin, but he will be drafted in the first round.
    He had to come out this year to get a first round contract because next year he would have been benched and headed towards the 2nd round. I think a lot of fringe first round talent will come out this year because they know they will have no shot next year of being a first round selection. The lottery alone could consist of 10 one and done players by itself which will push down the upper class men.
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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #62
      Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

      Latest DX update has Oladipo up to #5, Shabazz down to #9. Sounds right to me, been saying that all year. Porter is also ahead of Shabazz which will probably stir up some debate.

      1. Noel
      2. McLemore
      3. Smart
      4. Bennett
      5. Oladipo

      I don't know, maybe it's because they're young and GMs/scouts see more potential but from what I saw this year there's no way I'm taking Smart or Bennett over VO. Bennett seems like he'll be lucky to be Brandon Bass. Smart, I dunno either. I'm not convinced he'll ever be a starter on a halfway decent NBA team.
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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #63
        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

        Kinda surprised they still had Zeller at #6.
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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
          Once in a Lifetime Memory
          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #64
          Big matchup draft stock wise Saturday with Burke vs. MCW.
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          • da ThRONe
            Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
            • Mar 2009
            • 8528

            #65
            Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

            Originally posted by ehh
            Latest DX update has Oladipo up to #5, Shabazz down to #9. Sounds right to me, been saying that all year. Porter is also ahead of Shabazz which will probably stir up some debate.

            1. Noel
            2. McLemore
            3. Smart
            4. Bennett
            5. Oladipo

            I don't know, maybe it's because they're young and GMs/scouts see more potential but from what I saw this year there's no way I'm taking Smart or Bennett over VO. Bennett seems like he'll be lucky to be Brandon Bass. Smart, I dunno either. I'm not convinced he'll ever be a starter on a halfway decent NBA team.
            I agree about Smart he reminders me too much of Rodney Stuckey. I'm not big on Ben McLemore either. I do like Bennett though.

            For me I like

            1. Burke
            2. Oladipo
            3. Noel
            4. Bennett
            5. McLemore/ Muhammad/ Smart
            You looking at the Chair MAN!

            Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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            • jeebs9
              Fear is the Unknown
              • Oct 2008
              • 47568

              #66
              Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

              Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
              Big matchup draft stock wise Saturday with Burke vs. MCW.
              A lot of my friends don't see what's so big about MCW (pun not intend). He hasn't been consistent all year long. Burke on the other hand has been Mr consistent all year.
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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                • Dec 2006
                • 17294

                #67
                Originally posted by jeebs9
                A lot of my friends don't see what's so big about MCW (pun not intend). He hasn't been consistent all year long. Burke on the other hand has been Mr consistent all year.
                He's been consistent total numbers wise, but if you look at his game log, he's had a lot of games where he goes like 5/15 (talking about Burke). A lot of what MCW does are the little nuances of the game that casual fans don't really notice. Just the way he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and little effort plays you don't see often...diving on the floor for a ball and then rolling the ball through a defenders legs down the court for an easy layup for a teammate. He's just a really creative player. He isn't as good as Rubio, but he's Rubio-esq, and he's playing better than probably anybody in the tournament right now. And while Burke is basically nothing without the pick and roll, MCW is very good at beating his man one on one.
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                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47568

                  #68
                  Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                  I don't know..... MCW has been really turnover prone. I've seen him make some very boneheaded plays during the regular season. This tournament he's been playing very well. Not forcing too many shots. I agree with the play making.

                  But my friends are not causal fans. They're Cuse fans and don't miss a game.

                  But I think Trey is rated higher than MCW in most mock drafts.
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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #69
                    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Not sure if I feel the Rubio-MCW comparisons, even if it's not supposed to be a direct one.
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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #70
                      Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Not sure if I feel the Rubio-MCW comparisons, even if it's not supposed to be a direct one.
                      That is one absolutely dreadful comparison.
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                      • Yeah...THAT Guy
                        Once in a Lifetime Memory
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 17294

                        #71
                        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by jeebs9
                        I don't know..... MCW has been really turnover prone. I've seen him make some very boneheaded plays during the regular season. This tournament he's been playing very well. Not forcing too many shots. I agree with the play making.

                        But my friends are not causal fans. They're Cuse fans and don't miss a game.

                        But I think Trey is rated higher than MCW in most mock drafts.
                        I don't really know anything about your friends obviously, but my friends are Cuse fans and don't miss any games either and they don't really get why MCW is a good prospect either. But like I said, I think it's a lot of the little things that he does that makes him a good prospect beyond the fact that he's a 6'6" PG and a great passer.

                        You're definitely correct that at this point, Burke has passed him in just about all mocks. It'll be interesting to see how the PGs grade out when they get into workouts and stuff and even in the game on Saturday. I'm personally hoping that if Milwaukee lets Jennings go, we can pick up MCW (though I don't think he'll slip that far in the draft at this point). I think he's going to be a better pro than Burke, but we'll see.

                        Burke has started to turn the ball over a lot more recently than he did during the regular season, and he hasn't really found his shot yet in the tournament.

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        Not sure if I feel the Rubio-MCW comparisons, even if it's not supposed to be a direct one.
                        Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's Rubio at all. But he's definitely one of those guys that makes plays and can manipulate defenses in a way that's similar to him (but to a much lesser degree, because Rubio's feel for the game is out of this world).

                        The closest comparison for MCW at this point is definitely Livingston. I'm just saying he's a creative playmaker the way that Rubio is.
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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #72
                          Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                          I've struggled with putting my finger on what it is about MCW's game that makes me hesitant to believe he'll be a good pro. I've watched a lot of him and I think he just doesn't pass the eye test for me.

                          He has some bad turnovers and can struggle with getting by smaller, quicker guards sometimes but I doubt that'll be an issue in the NBA. Who knows, he'll probably be a very good PnR guy in the NBA.

                          Grevis Vasquez is no home run athlete and is a taller PG, was very turnover-prone at Maryland and he's turned out quite well.
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                          • BleacherBum2310
                            All Star
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 7107

                            #73
                            Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                            He's been consistent total numbers wise, but if you look at his game log, he's had a lot of games where he goes like 5/15 (talking about Burke). A lot of what MCW does are the little nuances of the game that casual fans don't really notice. Just the way he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and little effort plays you don't see often...diving on the floor for a ball and then rolling the ball through a defenders legs down the court for an easy layup for a teammate. He's just a really creative player. He isn't as good as Rubio, but he's Rubio-esq, and he's playing better than probably anybody in the tournament right now. And while Burke is basically nothing without the pick and roll, MCW is very good at beating his man one on one.
                            Sorry but what? Is that serious.
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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #74
                              Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                              Sorry but what? Is that serious.
                              It's obviously an exaggeration, but his reliance on the pick and roll is well-noted. One of his biggest weaknesses in the eyes of a lot of NBA scouts is his struggles in isolation situations.
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                              • BleacherBum2310
                                All Star
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 7107

                                #75
                                Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Doesn't the NBA run a bunch of Pick and Roll's or did I miss something.

                                Also Burke has an incredible step back. I don't have the #'s on him on iso's but you couldn't be more wrong IMO.

                                I dunno how he'll do as a pro. I think he'll be a solid NBA PG and I'm quite confident in saying that.
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