2013 NBA Draft Discussion

[Sportsbuck]

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Nerlens isn't going to be able to get those blocks guarding guys straight up. He isn't going to have that strength to body a guy like that. I'm not sure how much weight he's actually going to be able to put on. He doesn't have the frame and broad shoulders like Anthony Davis does. And who knows what kind of improvement he'll have in his lower body over the course of his career. His legs are already rail thin.

He's only 18 years old right now... he's still very much so a kid. We're projecting an 18 year old to how he's going to perform in the NBA, there's always going to be unknowns. Get him working with a nutritionist and in an NBA S&C program, and hopefully he'll take off in that regard.

I don't see the Noah comparison because Noah always struck me as a high level rebounder, not shot blocker.

I don't mean the comparison in that they are the same players, but facilitating the same kind of role, in particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Noel is is more athletic, whereas Noah is/was more polished. They can both protect the rim and man the perimeter, and both are good rebounders (With Noah holding the edge there, while Noel is the better shot blocker). Noah is a defensive anchor for his team and I think Noel can do the same kind of thing.

And I wouldn't call Nerlens elite. Seems more like a complimentary guy.

I should clarify... didn't say he was elite, just said that if there isn't an Elite option on the board that he should be the pick. I think Noel can be a defensive anchor for a team going forward.

[8KB24]

Dario Saric is gonna be a bust unless he goes to Spurs or someone with great system.

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[SteelersFreak]

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Apparently Tony Mitchell jumped so high on the vertical they had to raise it up higher.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Apparently Tony Mitchell jumped so high on the vertical they had to raise it up higher.

If he falls to the Knicks, I'd be ecstatic.

But I know he won't fall that far.

[RedSceptile]

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Apparently Tony Mitchell jumped so high on the vertical they had to raise it up higher.

You're kidding right?

And to answer OJ Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden (PATTERN!?) Brook Lopez, Paul George, Kevin Love, Derrick Rose have all been either really good platers of the bat or developing at a superstar/star level.

Not everyone comes in as a monster some guys need polishing (see Westbrook, Harden) the right fit (Harden) or just an opportunity (George, Love).

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Apparently Tony Mitchell jumped so high on the vertical they had to raise it up higher.

Yeah, I think he had a 40" vert or something, but since his standing reach is so long as is, he reached up above the thing. Apparently it happened last year with someone too.

[ojandpizza]

Injuries derailed Davis last year. When he was healthy you saw how good he really is/can be. Does making the all-star in your rookie year matter a ton anyway?

I'm not talking about making the all star team. I'm talking about being an all star caliber player in your first year. Those players used to be a regular thing. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, LeBron, Melo, Iverson.. It just doesn't happen anymore and hasn't in awhile.

[ojandpizza]

And to answer OJ Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden (PATTERN!?) Brook Lopez, Paul George, Kevin Love, Derrick Rose have all been either really good platers of the bat or developing at a superstar/star level.
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Yeah they've been good but not really at the level I'm talking about. They all developed super quick which is good, but none of them were really franchise players from the get go. Those guys that can come in and be elite level players as a rookie seem to just be a thing of the past.

[Chrisksaint]

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Players are just more of late bloomers now so what. Players like MJ, Magic, Lebron,etc. those guys don't come around every draft class or even every few. Plus a lot of those older players went to college so they came into the NBA older then some of these guys now are coming in at.

Anthony Davis had a hell of a rookie season for what was a 19 year old PF, probably would have won ROY if it wasn't for some little injuries he kept getting all season. He's a guy who at the very least looks like he'll average 20ppg 10reb 2blk once he enters his prime, could even get up to 25 depending on how he uses his freakish athleticism/size. Whatever stats he puts up when he's 21 or 22 will probably be worthy of an all star

[ojandpizza]

Players are just more of late bloomers now so what. Players like MJ, Magic, Lebron,etc. those guys don't come around every draft class or even every few. Plus a lot of those older players went to college so they came into the NBA older then some of these guys now are coming in at.

Anthony Davis had a hell of a rookie season for what was a 19 year old PF, probably would have won ROY if it wasn't for some little injuries he kept getting all season. He's a guy who at the very least looks like he'll average 20ppg 10reb 2blk once he enters his prime, could even get up to 25 depending on how he uses his freakish athleticism/size. Whatever stats he puts up when he's 21 or 22 will probably be worthy of an all star

You don't think constant under developed drafts are an issue at all then?? While 20/10/2 in your prime is good, it's basically what guys like Elton Brand even did in his rookie year..

I think this is bad news for NBA teams. I don't think they can really count on rebuilding through the draft anymore because players aren't game changers like they used to be.. You said those guys don't come around that often, but my point is that they used to come around frequently..

Guys like Shaq, Mourning, Ewing, Duncan, Robinson, LeBron, Melo, Iverson, are all the type of guys who single handedly took their teams to another level. Rookies aren't doing that anymore.

Yeah Davis was a solid rookie, but not anywhere close to what I'm talking about. And despite him being good his team was still terrible, not really much of an impact in my opinion. Granted his teammates suck but still he's just an example. It's basically a league wide issue year after year. There just isn't franchise guys immediately available in the drafts anymore.

[Chrisksaint]

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See the thing is you're using HoF all time greats as comparisons, we have no idea how the careers of guys like Westbrook, etc. will end up.

As far as i'm concerned guys like KD, Westbrook, Rose, Love, Rondo, Harden, Griffin, John Wall(when finally healthy), Paul George, Kyrie, Davis, Lillard are all either established superstar players or will become that very soon.

Even with how good Lebron was his rookie year the Cavs failed to make the playoffs. Rookies make an impact these days, it's just rarely will they carry a team to the playoffs unless there are other players already around them.

[Majingir]

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Where do people see a guy like Kabongo being drafted?

[ojandpizza]

See the thing is you're using HoF all time greats as comparisons, we have no idea how the careers of guys like Westbrook, etc. will end up.

As far as i'm concerned guys like KD, Westbrook, Rose, Love, Rondo, Harden, Griffin, John Wall(when finally healthy), Paul George, Kyrie, Davis, Lillard are all either established superstar players or will become that very soon.

Even with how good Lebron was his rookie year the Cavs failed to make the playoffs. Rookies make an impact these days, it's just rarely will they carry a team to the playoffs unless there are other players already around them.

Them being hall of fame players or not isnt the point I'm making. And how good Durant, and the others you named, are NOW has nothing to do with them when they were rookies.. Drafting a top notch rookie or "hall of fame player" was a regular occurrence up until recent years.

The point is nearly every draft back then had at least one guy who was a complete team changer. Sure a couple years were skipped but for the most part that holds true. That doesn't happen now. And yeah LeBron barely missed the playoffs, not every great rookie makes the playoffs, but the point is he was still in that elite category..

What does being great 4 or 5 years later have to do with being great as a rookie? Kobe and Garnett weren't great rookies..

I think you're entirely missing what I'm saying.

[RedSceptile]

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That's not fair at all OJ LeBron came in and his rookie numbers was 20/5/5. Those are prettygood but it's not like he came out phtting up the numbers he was putting up now in his rookie season. Society is to focused on what have you done for me now more than what can You do for me for the future. Harden was a bench player his rookie year look at him now. Everyone knew Durant would be good but were people expecting him to be this good already? (arguably the second best player at such a young age).

Here are some numbers as well.

Player A 16/4/5
Player B 10/6/2
Player C 17/4/6

All of these are the respective players rookie seasons. Who are they? Dwyane Wade, Kevin Garnett, and Derrick Rose respectively. Those numbers aren't exactly gaudy they're solid. The thing you have to realize that once in a generation talent like your Duncans and Jordans and LeBronLeBron and Shaqs aren't in every draft. They'll be those guys who aren't as good as them off the bat but get progressively better. What I'm saying is don't expect a LeBron every draft that's not plausible. But a Dwyane Wade/Garnett etc. here and there? That's still pretty damn good. Just because you don't dominate off the bat doesn't mean you won't later on (see Tracy McGrady pre-injuries)

[ojandpizza]

That's not fair at all OJ LeBron came in and his rookie numbers was 20/5/5. Those are prettygood but it's not like he came out phtting up the numbers he was putting up now in his rookie season. Society is to focused on what have you done for me now more than what can You do for me for the future. Harden was a bench player his rookie year look at him now. Everyone knew Durant would be good but were people expecting him to be this good already? (arguably the second best player at such a young age).

Here are some numbers as well.

Player A 16/4/5
Player B 10/6/2
Player C 17/4/6

All of these are the respective players rookie seasons. Who are they? Dwyane Wade, Kevin Garnett, and Derrick Rose respectively. Those numbers aren't exactly gaudy they're solid. The thing you have to realize that once in a generation talent like your Duncans and Jordans and LeBronLeBron and Shaqs aren't in every draft. They'll be those guys who aren't as good as them off the bat but get progressively better. What I'm saying is don't expect a LeBron every draft that's not plausible. But a Dwyane Wade/Garnett etc. here and there? That's still pretty damn good. Just because you don't dominate off the bat doesn't mean you won't later on (see Tracy McGrady pre-injuries)

They aren't in every draft anymore but yes they used to be.. Up until recent years you could basically grab a legit star immediately every draft.