Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

**SoMiss2000** · 02-10-2004, 09:42 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I have to agree with Steven A. Smith on this one. Of course, there's always an exception to the rule.

**SoMiss2000** · 02-10-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

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Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

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I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

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Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

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Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

**SoMiss2000** · 02-10-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

<hr /></blockquote>

Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

<hr /></blockquote>
Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

**SoMiss2000** · 02-10-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

<hr /></blockquote>

Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

<hr /></blockquote>
Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

23 · 02-10-2004, 09:52 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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SoMiss2000 said:
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muzion said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

<hr /></blockquote>

Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

<hr /></blockquote>
Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

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That's you, but the Sixers player won't get fired like you could have. My boss is black, and she is laid back about about looking over our shoulder, but I don't mind working for her. I'd do anything she ask of me because she is so cool. She feels, I know my job, and she doesn't have to babysit me, and you know what, she doesn't have to, and I get my work done.

This whole article can be absurd, but you have to wonder about the effort like in NJ's case now too.

23 · 02-10-2004, 09:52 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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SoMiss2000 said:
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muzion said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

<hr /></blockquote>

Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

<hr /></blockquote>
Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

<hr /></blockquote>

That's you, but the Sixers player won't get fired like you could have. My boss is black, and she is laid back about about looking over our shoulder, but I don't mind working for her. I'd do anything she ask of me because she is so cool. She feels, I know my job, and she doesn't have to babysit me, and you know what, she doesn't have to, and I get my work done.

This whole article can be absurd, but you have to wonder about the effort like in NJ's case now too.

23 · 02-10-2004, 09:52 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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SoMiss2000 said:
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muzion said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
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BigMike said:
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bigeastbumrush said:
I think Steven A. Smith is a complete *** and this is one of the reasons why I could never stand this guy. He gets WAY too much face time on ESPN for someone who never makes a point.

Yeah, Don Chaney (former coach of the Knicks) was underpaid.

Yeah, Sam Cassell, Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson did not tune out George Karl, the highest paid coach in the league.

Steven A. needs a reality check and stop spewing these homemade fallacies.

Some players are just knuckleheads, regardless of who their coach is. Jeff Van Gundy got his money because he's a workhorse. And his wannabe star player, "The Franchise", has tuned him out.

Aren't the Milwaukee Bucks responding to first time head coach Terry Porter?

Steven's argument holds absolutely no weight.

<hr /></blockquote>

Those are only a few occasions, and apparently the exception

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't buy that.

The salaries of the coaches is one thing, but saying that players respond/don't respond to a coach because of his race is absurd.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why is it absurd? I'm black and if I had a black coach, I feel like I could identify with him more, and yeah, maybe get away with some things. It's not that hard to see. He also used race because it summed up all the other things like salary, money and power (or the image of those things)

Black coaches who get respect are enforcers like Paul Silas, whose rep says they are like a father figure to younger players. Thats why most of his players respect him and wouldn't be spouting off the same bullsh*t Big Dog is. Thats not a shot to other black coaches, but its true and Ayers' firing is more proof.

<hr /></blockquote>
Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>that's some kind of sick "slave master" mentality.

I dunno, I used to have a black manager in Corporate America. The word I would use to describe him, he was "cool" as hell. He was kinda laid-back, and that's the approach i took with my job. I got my work done but I didn't always do it as quickly and efficiently as I could. Why, because I knew he really didn't mind as long as I got it done. When he left and I got a new manager, I always made sure I was on point. I didn't fear losing my job or getting in troube with my black manager. Having my white female boss was a totally different feeling.

<hr /></blockquote>

That's you, but the Sixers player won't get fired like you could have. My boss is black, and she is laid back about about looking over our shoulder, but I don't mind working for her. I'd do anything she ask of me because she is so cool. She feels, I know my job, and she doesn't have to babysit me, and you know what, she doesn't have to, and I get my work done.

This whole article can be absurd, but you have to wonder about the effort like in NJ's case now too.

**bigeastbumrush** · 02-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

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I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

**bigeastbumrush** · 02-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>

I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

**bigeastbumrush** · 02-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

<hr /></blockquote>

I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

23 · 02-10-2004, 10:23 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

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I agree here. I hate for race to be injected into things when it shouldn't be.

23 · 02-10-2004, 10:23 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

<hr /></blockquote>

I agree here. I hate for race to be injected into things when it shouldn't be.

23 · 02-10-2004, 10:23 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

<hr /></blockquote>

I agree here. I hate for race to be injected into things when it shouldn't be.

**bigeastbumrush** · 02-10-2004, 10:55 PM

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KDRE said:
What was the case with Byron Scott?

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Jason Kidd is a malcontent and a coach-killer. He didn't like Scott and it showed in his effort prior to Scott being fired.

Kidd loved Eddie Jordan. If it wasn't for Kidd's lobbying, Eddie would've left NJ before this past offseason in the year before.

The Nets aren't playing hard now because this new coach is white. They're playing hard because Kidd couldn't stand Byron Scott and now that he's gone he feels at ease (for the moment).

But again, this is just one more "exception", right?

**bigeastbumrush** · 02-10-2004, 10:55 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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KDRE said:
What was the case with Byron Scott?

<hr /></blockquote>

Jason Kidd is a malcontent and a coach-killer. He didn't like Scott and it showed in his effort prior to Scott being fired.

Kidd loved Eddie Jordan. If it wasn't for Kidd's lobbying, Eddie would've left NJ before this past offseason in the year before.

The Nets aren't playing hard now because this new coach is white. They're playing hard because Kidd couldn't stand Byron Scott and now that he's gone he feels at ease (for the moment).

But again, this is just one more "exception", right?

Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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