Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

[bigeastbumrush]

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KDRE said:
What was the case with Byron Scott?

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Jason Kidd is a malcontent and a coach-killer. He didn't like Scott and it showed in his effort prior to Scott being fired.

Kidd loved Eddie Jordan. If it wasn't for Kidd's lobbying, Eddie would've left NJ before this past offseason in the year before.

The Nets aren't playing hard now because this new coach is white. They're playing hard because Kidd couldn't stand Byron Scott and now that he's gone he feels at ease (for the moment).

But again, this is just one more "exception", right?

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I totally agree with you on this one too bigeast. So what Mr. Smith is saying is as long as black coaches are in the L. players will only give a half hearted effort. HOGWASH

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Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I totally agree with you on this one too bigeast. So what Mr. Smith is saying is as long as black coaches are in the L. players will only give a half hearted effort. HOGWASH

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Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I totally agree with you on this one too bigeast. So what Mr. Smith is saying is as long as black coaches are in the L. players will only give a half hearted effort. HOGWASH

[bigeastbumrush]

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Scott Skiles needs to check his ancestry because it's obvious the Bulls players think he's black.




exception +1

[bigeastbumrush]

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Scott Skiles needs to check his ancestry because it's obvious the Bulls players think he's black.




exception +1

[bigeastbumrush]

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Scott Skiles needs to check his ancestry because it's obvious the Bulls players think he's black.




exception +1

[muzion]

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muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

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I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

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The same goes for you no matter who it is but that doesn't mean it is the case for everybody.

[muzion]

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bigeastbumrush said:
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muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

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I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

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The same goes for you no matter who it is but that doesn't mean it is the case for everybody.

[muzion]

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bigeastbumrush said:
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muzion said:

Big Mike is right on this one, being black I know that I respond differently to black authority than white authority. If the black woman or man is in a position of power and is not hard-nosed, better believe I'll try to get away with more things then if that person was white. It is a fact in all spectrums of life, including basketball coaches. I wonder if bigeastbumrush doesn't see the bigger picture as a result of his hatred for Stephen A. Smith or simply because he has a different opinion.

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I have a different opinion, yes and I don't like Steven A. Sue me.

I've had Black, Asian and White managers in my career. To say that I slacked with my black manager is just not the case. I took liberties with all of them and worked hard for all of them as well.

I'm a man. For me to be like "Ohhh, I'm scared of my white manager so let me bust my *** for him/her" is not my style.

Some managers are cool as hell, regardless of their race. And some are sticklers.

I believe the same goes for any profession as well as coaching.

Lenny Wilkens is not a hard-nosed coach and this matured Knicks team respects him. Toronto players on the other hand did not. How many exceptions does there need to be to throw Steven A.'s rhetoric out the window?

Bottom line is, a player will take liberties if he feels that he can get away with it (Steve Francis skipping a flight to go to the SuperBowl).

To say that black players are slacking because their coach is black is reaching WAY out there. Players have been slacking since the inception of the NBA. You're saying this is some recent trend? Please.

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The same goes for you no matter who it is but that doesn't mean it is the case for everybody.

[HMcCoy]

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This is more an issue of NBA teams using recently-retired players with NO NBA head coaching and little if any assistant experience. They hire these guys because

a. They're cheap.

b. They're percieved to be better able to relate to young, African Americans.

c. If they don't work out, they're an EASY fire. No huge outrage, doesn't reflect poorly on the players(When LB left, seemed like it was the selfish players faults. Same with Wilkins, Karl).

Problem is that the players know these things too. They KNOW their coach is expendable nowadays. Even when it seems to work out, all it takes is for that lame-duck coach to rub the team superstar the wrong way, and its curtains.

I think race is an issue, but only because the teams are hiring coaches who aren't qualified for the job, and the majority of these "cheap, no-frills" hires happen to be black. Ayers couldn't even control the Buckeyes when he was the O-State head coach. No way he should have been named 6ers caoch.

Ironically, this situation is the flip-side of the NFL's coaching problem....Hire the best candidate reguardless of race. Be FAIR, but hire the best.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

This is more an issue of NBA teams using recently-retired players with NO NBA head coaching and little if any assistant experience. They hire these guys because

a. They're cheap.

b. They're percieved to be better able to relate to young, African Americans.

c. If they don't work out, they're an EASY fire. No huge outrage, doesn't reflect poorly on the players(When LB left, seemed like it was the selfish players faults. Same with Wilkins, Karl).

Problem is that the players know these things too. They KNOW their coach is expendable nowadays. Even when it seems to work out, all it takes is for that lame-duck coach to rub the team superstar the wrong way, and its curtains.

I think race is an issue, but only because the teams are hiring coaches who aren't qualified for the job, and the majority of these "cheap, no-frills" hires happen to be black. Ayers couldn't even control the Buckeyes when he was the O-State head coach. No way he should have been named 6ers caoch.

Ironically, this situation is the flip-side of the NFL's coaching problem....Hire the best candidate reguardless of race. Be FAIR, but hire the best.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

This is more an issue of NBA teams using recently-retired players with NO NBA head coaching and little if any assistant experience. They hire these guys because

a. They're cheap.

b. They're percieved to be better able to relate to young, African Americans.

c. If they don't work out, they're an EASY fire. No huge outrage, doesn't reflect poorly on the players(When LB left, seemed like it was the selfish players faults. Same with Wilkins, Karl).

Problem is that the players know these things too. They KNOW their coach is expendable nowadays. Even when it seems to work out, all it takes is for that lame-duck coach to rub the team superstar the wrong way, and its curtains.

I think race is an issue, but only because the teams are hiring coaches who aren't qualified for the job, and the majority of these "cheap, no-frills" hires happen to be black. Ayers couldn't even control the Buckeyes when he was the O-State head coach. No way he should have been named 6ers caoch.

Ironically, this situation is the flip-side of the NFL's coaching problem....Hire the best candidate reguardless of race. Be FAIR, but hire the best.

[yungmac1]

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I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.

[yungmac1]

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.