Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

**muzion** · 02-11-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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yungmac1 said:
I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.

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I didn't explain this in this thread but I did on another board. What you pointed out through your history is exactly what I mean. If your a black coach and your not a hard-nosed coach, the odds of you succeeding in an individualistic sport such as basketball is much lower than if that coach is white. Part of it is as a result of the slave mentality that some players have, where they'll value more the white coach rather than the black one. A black person in a position of power has to command respect right away and maybe even be act like a drill sargent, cause if not he or she won't be able to do what he or she needs to do.

23 · 02-11-2004, 03:30 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
yungmac1 said:
I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.

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I didn't explain this in this thread but I did on another board. What you pointed out through your history is exactly what I mean. If your a black coach and your not a hard-nosed coach, the odds of you succeeding in an individualistic sport such as basketball is much lower than if that coach is white. Part of it is as a result of the slave mentality that some players have, where they'll value more the white coach rather than the black one. A black person in a position of power has to command respect right away and maybe even be act like a drill sargent, cause if not he or she won't be able to do what he or she needs to do.

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Man this is all hogwash. I don't know any slaves, and I've never had a black drill sergent for a boss, and I still worked hard. This is getting way out of hand. As long as you have a high position and are black, you have to act like an army officer to gain respect? Do you see how silly that sound. You just have to know how to deal with people on their individual level. As I said, my boss is lasid back as far as not looking over our shoulder, and she figures you know your job, i don't have to bother you about it. She also gives us respect as adults, and guess what, everyone here gets their work done, we never have outside complaints, and are willing to work late hours if need be without a hassle.

It's all about people and personalities, not color.

23 · 02-11-2004, 03:30 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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muzion said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
yungmac1 said:
I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.

<hr /></blockquote>
I didn't explain this in this thread but I did on another board. What you pointed out through your history is exactly what I mean. If your a black coach and your not a hard-nosed coach, the odds of you succeeding in an individualistic sport such as basketball is much lower than if that coach is white. Part of it is as a result of the slave mentality that some players have, where they'll value more the white coach rather than the black one. A black person in a position of power has to command respect right away and maybe even be act like a drill sargent, cause if not he or she won't be able to do what he or she needs to do.

<hr /></blockquote>

Man this is all hogwash. I don't know any slaves, and I've never had a black drill sergent for a boss, and I still worked hard. This is getting way out of hand. As long as you have a high position and are black, you have to act like an army officer to gain respect? Do you see how silly that sound. You just have to know how to deal with people on their individual level. As I said, my boss is lasid back as far as not looking over our shoulder, and she figures you know your job, i don't have to bother you about it. She also gives us respect as adults, and guess what, everyone here gets their work done, we never have outside complaints, and are willing to work late hours if need be without a hassle.

It's all about people and personalities, not color.

23 · 02-11-2004, 03:30 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
muzion said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
yungmac1 said:
I Have to comment on this because it is right up my alley.

Okay High school coach black. This guy was hard nose, I mean 4 hour practices, cross-counrty, Track , AAU. He was more like a drill sargent than a coach and the season was boot-camp.
This was a 5-4 Black coach who not only had his players respect, but every student and gang memeber. This was a Detroit Public school too.

Then I had a Black coach when I went to junior college who was the total opposite really laid back joking all the time practice was a joke. I could run 2 miles workout and shoot for and hour and a half then practice then say after and shoot for an hour and go home not tired. I did not respect him and neither did the rest of the team black, white, and Arab.

To wrap this up I had a white coach my last two years of college and he was supposed to be the winningest coach in michigan, the practices where okay, better than the last coach, but nowhere near the first coach. He tried to be like a father figure to the black athletes he felt had a rough life with out a dad, but the rest of the african american athlete's were treated like crap, so he lost alot of respect from all and we did play like we wanted to be there.

It doesn't matter what color a coach is If he or she does not set standards for the coach player relationship by keeping that fine line of "Master teacher" - "Players Coach"

I don't agree with Stephen A. Smith I think the race card is a scap-goat for the firing of black coaches. I think that todays players are a bunch of ******* with the expecption of a few Garnett, Duncan, and hell even the rookies Lebron and melo are showing more class than a seasoned vet.

<hr /></blockquote>
I didn't explain this in this thread but I did on another board. What you pointed out through your history is exactly what I mean. If your a black coach and your not a hard-nosed coach, the odds of you succeeding in an individualistic sport such as basketball is much lower than if that coach is white. Part of it is as a result of the slave mentality that some players have, where they'll value more the white coach rather than the black one. A black person in a position of power has to command respect right away and maybe even be act like a drill sargent, cause if not he or she won't be able to do what he or she needs to do.

<hr /></blockquote>

Man this is all hogwash. I don't know any slaves, and I've never had a black drill sergent for a boss, and I still worked hard. This is getting way out of hand. As long as you have a high position and are black, you have to act like an army officer to gain respect? Do you see how silly that sound. You just have to know how to deal with people on their individual level. As I said, my boss is lasid back as far as not looking over our shoulder, and she figures you know your job, i don't have to bother you about it. She also gives us respect as adults, and guess what, everyone here gets their work done, we never have outside complaints, and are willing to work late hours if need be without a hassle.

It's all about people and personalities, not color.

**yungmac1** · 02-11-2004, 05:51 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

You know what just because you work hard no matter who your boss is doesn't say much for everbody else. Jordan work his butt off since the first day of training camp as a rookie, but you think that he respected Doug Collins as a coach. no , because he knew that he could get away with ball hogging and not have to worry about getting benched, But we Phil came on the scene things changed Phil got that respect and that's what I was trying to say.

I don't know about that slave mentality Crap, but I do know that Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that. He got AI's respect, Now he has been in the NBA coached under black and white( None whom he respected) Coaches, has been nothing short of a dumb a$$.

Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

**yungmac1** · 02-11-2004, 05:51 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

You know what just because you work hard no matter who your boss is doesn't say much for everbody else. Jordan work his butt off since the first day of training camp as a rookie, but you think that he respected Doug Collins as a coach. no , because he knew that he could get away with ball hogging and not have to worry about getting benched, But we Phil came on the scene things changed Phil got that respect and that's what I was trying to say.

I don't know about that slave mentality Crap, but I do know that Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that. He got AI's respect, Now he has been in the NBA coached under black and white( None whom he respected) Coaches, has been nothing short of a dumb a$$.

Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

**yungmac1** · 02-11-2004, 05:51 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

You know what just because you work hard no matter who your boss is doesn't say much for everbody else. Jordan work his butt off since the first day of training camp as a rookie, but you think that he respected Doug Collins as a coach. no , because he knew that he could get away with ball hogging and not have to worry about getting benched, But we Phil came on the scene things changed Phil got that respect and that's what I was trying to say.

I don't know about that slave mentality Crap, but I do know that Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that. He got AI's respect, Now he has been in the NBA coached under black and white( None whom he respected) Coaches, has been nothing short of a dumb a$$.

Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

23 · 02-11-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that.

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Just what is AI acting like?

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Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

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Now you are totally disqualifying every poster here from giving a comment because none of us has played in the NBA under a black coach. It's funny to say players don't give black coaches anything because they are black, unless they are total drill officers. It's your opinion, but I disagrgee with the basis.

23 · 02-11-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

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Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that.

<hr /></blockquote>

Just what is AI acting like?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

<hr /></blockquote>

Now you are totally disqualifying every poster here from giving a comment because none of us has played in the NBA under a black coach. It's funny to say players don't give black coaches anything because they are black, unless they are total drill officers. It's your opinion, but I disagrgee with the basis.

23 · 02-11-2004, 09:47 PM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Allen Iverson had never acted the way he does now when he was at G-Town. Coach Thompson wasn't haven that.

<hr /></blockquote>

Just what is AI acting like?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Now you tell me how does all that tie in to race. That was what I was trying to say. I do agree with the comment that a black coach (and I do mean coach not boss, beacsue it is a totally different sitiuation) Has to come in and command The respect of a black million aire, but some players not respond to well to a Boot-camp sarget atmosphere. Thats just how it is, and if you have never seen or been in a situation like that then you should really even comment.

<hr /></blockquote>

Now you are totally disqualifying every poster here from giving a comment because none of us has played in the NBA under a black coach. It's funny to say players don't give black coaches anything because they are black, unless they are total drill officers. It's your opinion, but I disagrgee with the basis.

**DirkOwnsAll** · 02-12-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I get so tired of stuff like this...and I'm not even talking about the race issue. These people get paid millions of dollars to play a game. I don't care if a coach is black, white, Hispanic, Asian, blue, green, or plaid...these players need to do their jobs, and yes, it is a JOB...regardless of who is coaching the team. To say that a player won't put forth his best effort based on the coaching doesn't speak badly of the coach, it speaks volumes about the laziness of the player.

**DirkOwnsAll** · 02-12-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I get so tired of stuff like this...and I'm not even talking about the race issue. These people get paid millions of dollars to play a game. I don't care if a coach is black, white, Hispanic, Asian, blue, green, or plaid...these players need to do their jobs, and yes, it is a JOB...regardless of who is coaching the team. To say that a player won't put forth his best effort based on the coaching doesn't speak badly of the coach, it speaks volumes about the laziness of the player.

**DirkOwnsAll** · 02-12-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I get so tired of stuff like this...and I'm not even talking about the race issue. These people get paid millions of dollars to play a game. I don't care if a coach is black, white, Hispanic, Asian, blue, green, or plaid...these players need to do their jobs, and yes, it is a JOB...regardless of who is coaching the team. To say that a player won't put forth his best effort based on the coaching doesn't speak badly of the coach, it speaks volumes about the laziness of the player.

**noa999** · 02-12-2004, 12:20 AM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I hate Stephen Smith. My god, I've never seen anyone so in love with their own voice. Shut the [censored] up and die.

**noa999** · 02-12-2004, 12:20 AM

Re: Stephen A. Smith: Players fail to give best to black coaches

I hate Stephen Smith. My god, I've never seen anyone so in love with their own voice. Shut the [censored] up and die.

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