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  • DukeC
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    • Jul 2011
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    #406
    Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

    Blake Griffin wasn't that bad. When he did get the ball when he had good low post position he used that awkward looking drop step for 2-3 buckets in a row.

    They stopped giving him the ball and the offense got too perimeter oriented. That and the fact they stopped hustling once DeAndre sat on the bench led to their downfall. They just got outworked and outhustled.

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    • Kashanova
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      • Aug 2003
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      #407
      Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by jeebs9
      Na na... And the Heat won by how much? Mario defense will always keep him in the starting line-up. I don't see why people have a thing against him. Both him and Coles have bad days.

      It's only one game. I said it last night. But I'll repeat it again. I don't know about this Bulls. They might be able to win the regular season. They will need one more player to push them over the hump. If teams are just going to trap Rose (especially off the pick and roll). Someone else has to step up and knock down some shots. I lost count how many times the heat trapped someone and then got the Bulls to shoot a jumper.

      The Lakers played like the Suns last night. It was nice to see Xaxier finally get some shine. I thought he was done (career wise). I find it hilarious that the Lakers are 5-0 now when playing without Kobe on opening day lol

      I also liked the way DeAndre Jordan played last night. It was Blake Griffin who played really bad.
      What does the final score have to do with how he played? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't feel he had a good game. If you think he did that's cool. I still won't get what the outcome of the game has to do with it though. My problems with Chalmers has always been how he runs the offense, and some of the knuckle headed plays he makes on occasion. I'm not surprised to see the Heat players constantly yelling at him.

      Regarding the Lakers, when they play without Kobe it's usually a more cohesive offense since there isn't one player holding on to the ball most of the time.

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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39373

        #408
        Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

        I've only ever heard positives about Blake's work ethic...he just may not ever be a good FT shooter...and honestly I think he looked good in Docs offense, the Clippers terrible defense is what lost the that game..

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        • d11king
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          • Feb 2011
          • 2716

          #409
          Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by DukeC
          Blake Griffin wasn't that bad. When he did get the ball when he had good low post position he used that awkward looking drop step for 2-3 buckets in a row.

          They stopped giving him the ball and the offense got too perimeter oriented. That and the fact they stopped hustling once DeAndre sat on the bench led to their downfall. They just got outworked and outhustled.
          Well for majority of the game, he was being defended by Shawne Wiliams and Wesley Johnson.

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          • The 24th Letter
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            • Oct 2007
            • 39373

            #410
            Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

            After Chalmers has come up big in 3 straight Finals now, I don't see how you can criticize him...sure he turns into Wario sometimes but you want someone with his mentality on your team every time...

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            • ex carrabba fan
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              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #411
              Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
              After Chalmers has come up big in 3 straight Finals now, I don't see how you can criticize him...sure he turns into Wario sometimes but you want someone with his mentality on your team every time...
              It's fine to criticize him but when every post you make mentions his name you have to wonder. Maybe some people just don't get that stats don't necessarily mean one thing or another. Maybe some people just like to have built in excuses in case their favorite team loses. Who knows.

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              • SteelersFreak
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                • May 2004
                • 9582

                #412
                Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                Huh? I never said Henry and Farmar weren't decent options. I was saying the Lakers have 5 or 6 worthless guys on their squad. Young, Johnson, Meeks, Williams, Blake, etc. etc.

                Henry was then compared to a poor man's James Harden.

                I've always liked Farmar
                I don't think any of those dudes are "worthless".
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                • ex carrabba fan
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #413
                  Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                  I don't think any of those dudes are "worthless".
                  Well, alright. That's OK with me

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                  • SteelersFreak
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                    • May 2004
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                    #414
                    Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                    Well, alright. That's OK with me
                    I don't see how you can logically call any of them "worthless", other than perhaps Nick Young but LOL shot selection.

                    Steve Blake is probably the most grossly over-criticized player in the entire NBA. I haven't seen a player catch so much hate for basically no reason and get virtually no credit when he performs well. Wesley Johnson is a question mark, he spent time on those Timberwolves squads that had some weird roster decisions and he spent time on the joke of the Suns squad that was last year's team. I think its way too early to call him "worthless". Calling Meeks worthless is laughable at best. When he's hitting he's one of the better shooters in the league. With Williams its tough to say because we haven't seen him play much recently but I think he could provide some good minutes for the Lakers.

                    And once again, if those guys are so worthless, how did they manage to do that against the new and improved Doc Rivers-led Clippers? Worthless players don't do that, I don't care if it was just one game.
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                    • SteelersFreak
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                      • May 2004
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                      #415
                      Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                      After Chalmers has come up big in 3 straight Finals now, I don't see how you can criticize him...sure he turns into Wario sometimes but you want someone with his mentality on your team every time...
                      I think most of the criticism of Chalmers stems from how he carries himself. People don't like when guys that aren't that great start calling themselves the best point guard in the league and what not.
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                      • ex carrabba fan
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #416
                        Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                        I don't see how you can logically call any of them "worthless", other than perhaps Nick Young but LOL shot selection.

                        Steve Blake is probably the most grossly over-criticized player in the entire NBA. I haven't seen a player catch so much hate for basically no reason and get virtually no credit when he performs well. Wesley Johnson is a question mark, he spent time on those Timberwolves squads that had some weird roster decisions and he spent time on the joke of the Suns squad that was last year's team. I think its way too early to call him "worthless". Calling Meeks worthless is laughable at best. When he's hitting he's one of the better shooters in the league. With Williams its tough to say because we haven't seen him play much recently but I think he could provide some good minutes for the Lakers.

                        And once again, if those guys are so worthless, how did they manage to do that against the new and improved Doc Rivers-led Clippers? Worthless players don't do that, I don't care if it was just one game.
                        They are journeymen. The type of players to get signed to teams just to stay above the cap floor. These are the types of players where if they left a team, their departure would go unnoticed. They are the type of players that don't move the needle one bit.

                        It was one game, don't care if you don't care that it was just one game.

                        Young does more harm than good. He's like the bad version of JR Smith. He thinks he's Kobe.

                        Johnson literally does nothing well. Literally nothing. Let that marinate.

                        Meeks is a decent three-point shooter.

                        Williams is a league minimum type player.

                        Blake is 50/50. His inconsistency, much like Young, makes it difficult to depend on him for production. He can hurt a team more than help it more times than not. Not the type of player I'd want.
                        Last edited by ex carrabba fan; 10-30-2013, 11:42 AM.

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                        • jeebs9
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                          • Oct 2008
                          • 47568

                          #417
                          Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Kashanova
                          What does the final score have to do with how he played? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't feel he had a good game. If you think he did that's cool. I still won't get what the outcome of the game has to do with it though. My problems with Chalmers has always been how he runs the offense, and some of the knuckle headed plays he makes on occasion. I'm not surprised to see the Heat players constantly yelling at him.

                          Regarding the Lakers, when they play without Kobe it's usually a more cohesive offense since there isn't one player holding on to the ball most of the time.
                          First I want to say I'm sorry about my comment about the score of the game. Your right it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

                          Secondly.... What a lot of people haven't been noticing in the last few years. Is that when the Heat bench comes in. Coles has a totally different team out there. When the Heat start with Mario, Wade, LeBron, Haslem, and Bosh. There are only 2 legit shooters on the floor (Mario and Bosh). Coles get to come out with Battier, Allen, Birdman and your choice of LeBron/Wade. FLOOR SPACING. That starters or more a defensive team. That's why Mario is the starter. His long arms on traps and he is just a little stronger at that end. I think if they switched spots. You would see the same things happen to the other player.

                          Kash..... Did you say Mario Chalmers runs the Miami Heat offense? lol


                          Also Blake Griffin...


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                          • The 24th Letter
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                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #418
                            Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                            I think most of the criticism of Chalmers stems from how he carries himself. People don't like when guys that aren't that great start calling themselves the best point guard in the league and what not.
                            Well people are going to feel how they feel about that, I was talking more about his on court production...

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                            • ex carrabba fan
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                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #419
                              Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                              I think most of the criticism of Chalmers stems from how he carries himself. People don't like when guys that aren't that great start calling themselves the best point guard in the league and what not.
                              No, that's not the reason at all, at least around OS. Most of the people who constantly criticize Chalmers around here are Heat fans. Most of them consistently call for Cole to start and to play more.

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                              • Kashanova
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                                • Aug 2003
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                                #420
                                Re: 10/29 - 11/4 Games Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                                After Chalmers has come up big in 3 straight Finals now, I don't see how you can criticize him...sure he turns into Wario sometimes but you want someone with his mentality on your team every time...
                                There lays my problem with him, This guy has been in the league for at least 5 years, yet he still does things in the basketball court that make you shake your head. Even after three finals he still has these dumb moments that are some what frequent. That's why I criticize him.

                                Originally posted by jeebs9
                                First I want to say I'm sorry about my comment about the score of the game. Your right it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

                                Secondly.... What a lot of people haven't been noticing in the last few years. Is that when the Heat bench comes in. Coles has a totally different team out there. When the Heat start with Mario, Wade, LeBron, Haslem, and Bosh. There are only 2 legit shooters on the floor (Mario and Bosh). Coles get to come out with Battier, Allen, Birdman and your choice of LeBron/Wade. FLOOR SPACING. That starters or more a defensive team. That's why Mario is the starter. His long arms on traps and he is just a little stronger at that end. I think if they switched spots. You would see the same things happen to the other player.

                                Kash..... Did you say Mario Chalmers runs the Miami Heat offense? lol
                                Not full time, Obviously with Lebron there Chalmers doesn't run it full time, however on sets where they utilize Lebron in the post Chalmers will bring it up and run the set and when Lebron isn't on the court and Chalmers is he also runs sets.

                                Anyways I'm done talking about Mario. I don't think he had a good game and I don't think he's exempt from criticism when he plays bad.

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