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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #7006
    Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
    Why is that a negative though? If they say they'll match any offer that means a max as well. Nobody has offered him that however so why is that an issue? So the Suns shouldn't declare how much they want to keep someone? The Rockets said they intended to match on Parsons, didn't stop Dallas from throwing the max at him.


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    Bledsoe got them sour grapes tbh. Nobody using the rules against you, b. Sack up

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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #7007
      2014 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      Why is that a negative though? If they say they'll match any offer that means a max as well. Nobody has offered him that however so why is that an issue? So the Suns shouldn't declare how much they want to keep someone? The Rockets said they intended to match on Parsons, didn't stop Dallas from throwing the max at him.


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      Huh? You mean to quote me? Never said it was negative, I don't think it's negative for Bledsoe to seek what he thinks he's worth either....just like your example of Parsons who didn't like what HOU offered

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      • JJJones135
        Pro
        • Jan 2011
        • 608

        #7008
        2014 Off-Season Thread

        Originally posted by Caveman24
        Low P&R with balanced paced offense. Nothing to sexy with a slower pace our defense should be better.



        Lol slow pace? Nah this is the right man for the job if you want better defense for that roster. 👆


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        Last edited by JJJones135; 07-27-2014, 05:17 PM.

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        • King_B_Mack
          All Star
          • Jan 2009
          • 24450

          #7009
          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
          Huh? You mean to quote me? Never said it was negative, I don't think it's negative for Bledsoe to seek what he thinks he's worth either....just like your example of Parsons who didn't like what HOU offered

          You said you weren't mad at him exercising his right to look for a better offer. But what right? He's a restricted free agent and they said they'll match any offers. Not like they're stopping him from looking for better offers.


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          • TheMatrix31
            RF
            • Jul 2002
            • 52923

            #7010
            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
            You said you weren't mad at him exercising his right to look for a better offer. But what right? He's a restricted free agent and they said they'll match any offers. Not like they're stopping him from looking for better offers.


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            That's the entire point. The guy thinks he's worth more than he is, the Suns told him to prove it by sitting back and letting the market dictate, he's not getting the offers he thought he was and he's mad about it and thinks it's the Suns' fault.

            What a dumb person.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #7011
              2014 Off-Season Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              You said you weren't mad at him exercising his right to look for a better offer. But what right? He's a restricted free agent and they said they'll match any offers. Not like they're stopping him from looking for better offers.


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              Not following you. He is still a free agent....RFA's can bargain their price just like UFA's can...the Suns ability to match doesn't really factor in there...

              We've seen what the market is...Gordon Hayward & Chandler Parsons just picked up max deals....the Suns are just playing their hand...as they should....and at the end of the day, if they can't come to an agreement or no one throws an offer out there, we know what happens...not expecting EB to sign whatever PHX throws at him though..

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              • cavsfan2
                MVP
                • Aug 2010
                • 3902

                #7012
                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                Looking at Bledsoe's production that 4 year/48 million deal seemed fair. I think he just doesn't want to be underpaid once the cap jumps up.

                Nothing is being used against Bledsoe, the suns are just playing this situation well.

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                • King_B_Mack
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #7013
                  Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                  Yeah, still not following you Two Four. If a team wants to throw him a max offer and make it hard for Phoenix to match it by playing with the numbers in each year a bit, they can do that, but they aren't. So I'm not seeing his issue here. Phoenix hasn't even offered him anything yet have they? QOs are pre determined numbers right so it's not a formal offer of what they think he's worth right?


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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #7014
                    2014 Off-Season Thread

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    Yeah, still not following you Two Four. If a team wants to throw him a max offer and make it hard for Phoenix to match it by playing with the numbers in each year a bit, they can do that, but they aren't. So I'm not seeing his issue here. Phoenix hasn't even offered him anything yet have they? QOs are pre determined numbers right so it's not a formal offer of what they think he's worth right?


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                    They offered him 4 years 48 million...

                    The reason your not seeing an issue is that i'm not sure there's one to argue as far as how RFA works...his comments and the reaction to him is what was being discussed..or what I was commenting on at least...
                    Last edited by The 24th Letter; 07-27-2014, 03:30 PM.

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                    • Vni
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 14833

                      #7015
                      Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                      Nobody's gonna sign Marion ?

                      I wish the Lakers would take a shot even though I doubt he would come here for the minimum.

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                      • Caveman24
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1352

                        #7016
                        Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                        Originally posted by JJJones135


                        Lol slow pace? Nah this is the right man for the job if you want better defense 👆


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                        I'll tell you what go look at the top defensive teams then look at there offensive pace it's a direct correlation.
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                        • JJJones135
                          Pro
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 608

                          #7017
                          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                          I don't think you sensed the humor and sarcasm of my post but that's no big deal. But direct correlation you say?

                          Top 6 Slowest Paced NBA teams - (Defensive efficiency ranking from best to worst)

                          1. Memphis- (8th)
                          2. NY Knicks- (24th)
                          3. Chicago- (2nd)
                          4. Miami- (11th)
                          5. Utah- (30th)
                          6. Brooklyn- (19th)

                          I don't see a direct correlation in those stats.

                          -(via hollinger's 2013-3014 regular season stats, ESPN)





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                          • AC
                            Win the East
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14951

                            #7018
                            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                            If you're into that kind of stuff, there's a 0.022 r^2 between pace and defensive efficiency.

                            In English, that means that a little over 2% of defensive efficiency has to do with pace. Or, pretty much nothing.
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                            • TheNumber35
                              Just Bad at Everything
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 2708

                              #7019
                              Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by AC
                              If you're into that kind of stuff, there's a 0.022 r^2 between pace and defensive efficiency.



                              In English, that means that a little over 2% of defensive efficiency has to do with pace. Or, pretty much nothing.

                              Despite the low r and almost lack of any statistical relationship whatsoever, I think now is as good a time as any to mention that correlation doesn't equal causation. There's a high correlation between ice cream sales and crime rates, but clearly one doesn't cause the other.
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                              • AC
                                Win the East
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 14951

                                #7020
                                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                                Originally posted by TheNumber35
                                Despite the low r and almost lack of any statistical relationship whatsoever, I think now is as good a time as any to mention that correlation doesn't equal causation. There's a high correlation between ice cream sales and crime rates, but clearly one doesn't cause the other.
                                The example that was used to teach me was Nicholas Cage movies and drowning lol.

                                But I'm saying there isn't correlation. The r^2 shows that and intuitively, I don't really buy the assertion either.
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