2014 Off-Season Thread

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

The example that was used to teach me was Nicholas Cage movies and drowning lol.

But I'm saying there isn't correlation. The r^2 shows that and intuitively, I don't really buy the assertion either.

I understand why that thought is out there; it makes some logical sense that if you aren't running and gunning on offense and instead you're playing a slow paced offensive possession, you'll have more energy to defend.

But I tend to agree with you in that I don't buy into that relationship very much. I think the team' defensive efficiency has more to do with the players on the court and the team's overall defensive scheme, than it does the pace they play on offense.

[AC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I understand why that thought is out there; it makes some logical sense that if you aren't running and gunning on offense and instead you're playing a slow paced offensive possession, you'll have more energy to defend.

But I tend to agree with you in that I don't buy into that relationship very much. I think the team' defensive efficiency has more to do with the players on the court and the team's overall defensive scheme, than it does the pace they play on offense.

Exactly. That's why I think there's SOME correlation - the narrative of more energy - but that the vast majority is the quality of players. The train of thought doesn't really have enough evidence to be statistically significant though.

[wwharton]

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Despite the low r and almost lack of any statistical relationship whatsoever, I think now is as good a time as any to mention that correlation doesn't equal causation. There's a high correlation between ice cream sales and crime rates, but clearly one doesn't cause the other.

With that avatar of Prince, how can we take anything you say seriously?

J/k... I don't think the thought has as much to do with energy to play defense as time of possession, limiting careless turnovers by slowing down the pace, and being in better position to get back on defense.

I think there is some validity to it, though that wouldn't necessarily show in the numbers listed because a team could do these things to help the D but if the D isn't very good, the results may not be as clear.

[AC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

With that avatar or Prince, how can we take anything you say seriously?

J/k... I don't think the thought has as much to do with energy to play defense as time of possession, limiting careless turnovers by slowing down the pace, and being in better position to get back on defense.

I think there is some validity to it, though that wouldn't necessarily show in the numbers listed because a team could do these things to help the D but if the D isn't very good, the results may not be as clear.

Seconded to a very large degree.

Is there a correlation between pace and turnovers? hm.

[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Seconded to a very large degree.

Is there a correlation between pace and turnovers? hm.

Most definitely, but again, the numbers have to factor in how good the team/opponent is. For example, a great trapping team forces turnovers and gets lots of fast break points. THIS team will have a high shooting percentage and probably low turnovers because of how they are dominating the opponent with their defense.

However, a team that pushes the ball at all costs will throw riskier passes and have players dribbling into situations that they shouldn't which would increase turnovers.

Both are fast pace teams. One would be hurt by being able to beat their D... the other by getting back on D and forcing them into bad decisions. Numbers can't show the difference.

And of course, time trumps all. Slow pace should mean long possessions which naturally limits the points that can be scored by both teams, as well as turnovers.

[AC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Ugh. That'd be a lot of math lol. But I think your ideas are definitely plausible.

[JJJones135]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

If you're into that kind of stuff, there's a 0.022 r^2 between pace and defensive efficiency.



In English, that means that a little over 2% of defensive efficiency has to do with pace. Or, pretty much nothing.

Lol sadly I know what that means. (I took stats) the closer r is to 0 the closer it is to no correlation. If I remember correctly. And then if it closer to -1 the stronger the negative correlation and the positive to 1 the closer the positive correlation. Just to throw some stats lessons at you.

Anyways back to the topic. I think talent dictates Defensive efficiency more than pace. Hints Golden State and OKC.


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[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Ugh. That'd be a lot of math lol. But I think your ideas are definitely plausible.

Yeah, that's why people usually just go with assumptions, lol.

That's the thing about stats... they're always useful for something but should be used as icing rather than the cake. Really need to eliminate as many variables as possible to use them as the main source.

[JODYE]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

These last like 10-12 posts are exactly why I love the NBA threads.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You know it's the slow time of year for the NBA when you can go away on vacation for a couple days and the thread has only grown by 4-5 pages, lol.

I'm thinking I missed alot of stuff only to see that I really haven't.

[wwharton]

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You know it's the slow time of year for the NBA when you can go away on vacation for a couple days and the thread has only grown by 4-5 pages, lol.

I'm thinking I missed alot of stuff only to see that I really haven't.

These conversations could've gone on for 10-20 pages and you still wouldn't have missed much.

[23]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

These conversations could've gone on for 10-20 pages and you still wouldn't have missed much.

any small amount of FA news gets drowned out by nothingness at this point now.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

So no team is going to offer Bledsoe or Monroe?

Seems like Philly should hop on either of them, IMO. Both are young and wouldn't hurt the "rebuild".

[demencia_total]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

So no team is going to offer Bledsoe or Monroe?

Seems like Philly should hop on either of them, IMO. Both are young and wouldn't hurt the "rebuild".

The Sixers are out there to reclaim the worst winning percentage ever from the Bobcats, they ain't happy about losing that title.

[ThreeKing]

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