2014 Off-Season Thread

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

If u sign older vets (such as a Carlos Boozer) and u have a star on the downside of his career getting paid 20 mil. And your flipping head coaches year after year.

The Lakers weren't even close in play for FA's this summer. You can throw out Melo if u want bc there were reports that they were in the running (I mainly heard it from Broussard's sauces, so not sure if woj reported it) but still the lakers were on the outside looking in the whole time in FA And their roster hasn't changed much and their cap space will be just as good as it was this summer, and they won't get any FA's then if the roster stays as is.

The only way LA is getting any good FA's next summer is if they overpay a guy like a Bledsoe or Monroe which will not get u over the top. You can throw getting guys like a LaMarcus Aldridge out the window.

Your acting like cap space guarantees you that your on the up and up. The only thing cap space will get the Lakers next summer is another draft pick and a Jeremy Lin which is better than nothing I guess.

Keeping guys like bazemore and Marshall I realize doesn't take you out of limbo but the concept does. For instance taking on young talent at least means your looking for young serviceable guys who may or not be good down the line. Signing guys like Boozer and Jeremy Lin have already hit there High points and that's that. There there for the short term not the long haul.

No man, I repeated myself twice that having cap space doesn't guarantee anything. I'm asking you a simple question: how are they in limbo, and the reasons you gave were not adequate answers in the least.

Either you don't have a grasp of the term limbo or you're just being unreasonable.

Boozer and Lin are on one year deals. They will either return on cheap salaries or be gone.

Now, the coaching situation is in shambles, I'll give you that. Buss has his dirty finger prints all over this era.

[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I agree with what others said. The lakers have one of the biggest fan bases. For those who live here in cali, especially la, every other house, car, bill board and article of clothing has something either dodgers related, or laker related. Lets not act surprised when they get games on the 25th of december every year. You also gotta remember that casuals want to see their big name guys. Lebron, rose, kd, cp3, melo, and kobe will always play on christmas because they get more views than, d-will, john wall, al jefferson, or(shamefully) lamarcus aldridge, etc. If you want other guys to get shine, go buy league pass. You may not like how it works, but thats how its going to be. Lakers vs hea is gonna get more views on christmas, than wizards vs bobcats or whatever unfortunately.

I can see the general point here (the Lakers have a large international fanbase) but the bold isn't saying much. If you live in Baltimore every other house, car, bill board and article of clothing has something either Orioles related or Ravens related. I'm pretty sure the same can be said about every other city and their home teams.

[OkayC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Clippers are enough to take those spots

Lakers have a bunch of bandwagon fans.

You guys are sounding like nba employees

Whatever we'll just agree to disagree.

[OkayC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I can see the general point here (the Lakers have a large international fanbase) but the bold isn't saying much. If you live in Baltimore every other house, car, bill board and article of clothing has something either Orioles related or Ravens related. I'm pretty sure the same can be said about every other city and their home teams.

Actually my point does say alot, because cali has four teams. Yet most paraphonelia is laker related. Very little of it is clippers, dubs, or kings related. That even holds somehwat true when you go to northern cali, and most people would tell you that socal and norcal are basically different states.

[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Actually my point does say alot, because cali has four teams. Yet most paraphonelia is laker related. Very little of it is clippers, dubs, or kings related. That even holds somehwat true when you go to northern cali, and most people would tell you that socal and norcal are basically different states.

Was focused more on the "especially here in LA" part, but it's still expected. The Lakers are THE successful basketball team in Cali. One of those other teams makes consistent noise and you'll see more fans for them in those areas.

It doesn't matter though. What's important is how many lakers jerseys you see in NY, Texas, China, etc. There are a lot. But it's not a surprise that there are a lot in Cali.

[OkayC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Was focused more on the "especially here in LA" part, but it's still expected. The Lakers are THE successful basketball team in Cali. One of those other teams makes consistent noise and you'll see more fans for them in those areas.

It doesn't matter though. What's important is how many lakers jerseys you see in NY, Texas, China, etc. There are a lot. But it's not a surprise that there are a lot in Cali.

Oh yeah i see what your getting at. I was just trying to add to my overall point that even in a place where we got several teams, the lakers are still most popular. But i could see how it could be irrelevant.

[aholbert32]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Clippers are enough to take those spots

Lakers have a bunch of bandwagon fans.

You guys are sounding like nba employees

Thats not even close to being true. Lets calm down with the insults. I presented valid reasons why the NBA would decide to give the Lakers a ton of games.

Either debate those reasons with constructive comments or dont respond at all.

[JJJones135]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

No man, I repeated myself twice that having cap space doesn't guarantee anything. I'm asking you a simple question: how are they in limbo, and the reasons you gave were not adequate answers in the least.



Either you don't have a grasp of the term limbo or you're just being unreasonable.



Boozer and Lin are on one year deals. They will either return on cheap salaries or be gone.



Now, the coaching situation is in shambles, I'll give you that. Buss has his dirty finger prints all over this era.

By Limbo (in basketball terms) I mean they are stuck between tanking and trying to be a contender. Kobe or not, this roster is not a contender but with Kobe and signing vets like Lin or Boozer (taking on Lins deal for cap reasons makes sense, taking on boozers for cap reasons does not) basically shows that you aren't tanking. So your stuck on the outside of the playoffs but not bad enough to get a top 5 talent in the draft. That's what I'm referring to when I say they're in limbo.

On a different note I wanna ask you, as a laker fan, what do U want to see LA do? And what is your opinion of what they've done up to this point?

Good discussions btw, although we don't agree I can see where u get some of your points.

[aholbert32]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I can see the general point here (the Lakers have a large international fanbase) but the bold isn't saying much. If you live in Baltimore every other house, car, bill board and article of clothing has something either Orioles related or Ravens related. I'm pretty sure the same can be said about every other city and their home teams.

The difference is LA has 2 million more people than Baltimore and thats just counting the city population. That alone guarantees a solid base to depend on when it comes to ratings. Not to mention your point about the Lakers being one of the most popular NBA teams in the country.

[aholbert32]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

By Limbo (in basketball terms) I mean they are stuck between tanking and trying to be a contender. Kobe or not, this roster is not a contender but with Kobe and signing vets like Lin or Boozer (taking on Lins deal for cap reasons makes sense, taking on boozers for cap reasons does not) basically shows that you aren't tanking. So your stuck on the outside of the playoffs but not bad enough to get a top 5 talent in the draft. That's what I'm referring to when I say they're in limbo.

On a different note I wanna ask you, as a laker fan, what do U want to see LA do? And what is your opinion of what they've done up to this point?

Good discussions btw, although we don't agree I can see where u get some of your points.

Ive been a Laker fan for 31 years and I'm perfectly fine with what they are doing. One, They won a championship in 2010 and I live by the Simmons rule (If your team wins a championship, they get a 5 yr grace period from bitching about what they do). They have 1 yr left on that grace period.

Two, in 2016, they will have a completely clear cap (except for maybe the Young deal) and I'm excited about the player Randle can become.

Three, I want Kobe to end his career as a Laker. The only way to guarantee that was to avoid full out tanking like Philly is doing.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

By Limbo (in basketball terms) I mean they are stuck between tanking and trying to be a contender. Kobe or not, this roster is not a contender but with Kobe and signing vets like Lin or Boozer (taking on Lins deal for cap reasons makes sense, taking on boozers for cap reasons does not) basically shows that you aren't tanking. So your stuck on the outside of the playoffs but not bad enough to get a top 5 talent in the draft. That's what I'm referring to when I say they're in limbo.

On a different note I wanna ask you, as a laker fan, what do U want to see LA do? And what is your opinion of what they've done up to this point?

Good discussions btw, although we don't agree I can see where u get some of your points.

Here's the thing though, I agree they are between tanking and contending, the difference is they are not strapped with bad contracts. The only thing keeping them from a total rebuild is Kobe. Other than that they can be pretty flexible.

They should continue to stockpile picks. That's the only thing I'd want them to do.

[23]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Thats not even close to being true. Lets calm down with the insults. I presented valid reasons why the NBA would decide to give the Lakers a ton of games.

Either debate those reasons with constructive comments or dont respond at all.

I guess I'm lost because I'm not insulting anyone

The Lakers have the biggest bandwagon fan base in the states and that's true all day.

If we're talking merits of the market of Los Angeles the Clippers are up there right now and can hold the ratings just fine whether people hate them or like them.

I already know why the nba does what to does but that's not the point. It's easy to keep riding the same 6 teams every year no matter what. A fan can always make the case that a 22 win team shouldn't be on TV as much as a consistent 50 win team

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Casuals want to watch stars especially stars in premier markets and Kobe and the Lakers still fit that description so of course they're always going to get more attention/TV time than a Charlotte or Washington(which most people still don't care about)or Toronto or Brooklyn.

It's the same reason why the Cowboys will never not play on Thanksgiving even if they're 4-9 or 2-11 at that point in the season.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I can see the general point here (the Lakers have a large international fanbase) but the bold isn't saying much. If you live in Baltimore every other house, car, bill board and article of clothing has something either Orioles related or Ravens related. I'm pretty sure the same can be said about every other city and their home teams.

Depends on the team and the city.

[aholbert32]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I guess I'm lost because I'm not insulting anyone

The Lakers have the biggest bandwagon fan base in the states and that's true all day.

If we're talking merits of the market of Los Angeles the Clippers are up there right now and can hold the ratings just fine whether people hate them or like them.

I already know why the nba does what to does but that's not the point. It's easy to keep riding the same 6 teams every year no matter what. A fan can always make the case that a 22 win team shouldn't be on TV as much as a consistent 50 win team

"You sound like NBA employees"

People here presented valid opinions backed by facts. If you disagree, debate it with other facts. The approach you took was just lazy and not constructive.