2014 Off-Season Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

We gave up 2 #1s to get Deron, who at the time was a top 2-3PG in the league, without any guarantee of him staying.

But I'm curious to know who this "more" is that they missed out on that they won't be able to get at all in this next season? OJ keeps repeating that samething over and over and over as if they'll never be able to make any more moves after this. That's why some of this is a bit ridiculous.

You mean by making another trade? I assumed they wouldn't. Future moves will undoubtably be difficult with their cap situation, by I was referring to this particular trade not something in the future.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I didn't even mean it like that.. I just meant they likely could have gotten a filler player. Even someone like Turiaf, who has little trade value, would have helped their center rotation. Especially if Andy gets hurt.


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History has shown that if it's this late in the season and guys like Turiaf or any other player that has little, if any trade value at all, will still be available. Even the guys you mentioned earlier, you see how no teams have been banging down their door trying to sign them and chances are they'll still be available in the month or two.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wonder how Bron managed to get those tweets and instagram pics out there? Dude don't have time to take a **** let alone acknowledge other people on his team.

Looks like Bron being mum on Wiggins did mean something after all

[Cavsfan4life]

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We still have the players from the Utah deal if we need to make a minor deal at C. Plus Haywood's contract is really valuable(unguaranteed for $10 million in the last year I think). I think its what sets us apart from putting this team compared to when MIA put there team together. We still have assets to make moves, we only gave up 1 pick and still have the MEM pick. We dont have to address the C position with desperation, we have Andy, TT, and Haywood. Andy can play C, hopefully he stays healthy with TT playing minutes at C.

[cavsfan2]

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We gave up 2 #1s to get Deron, who at the time was a top 2-3PG in the league, without any guarantee of him staying.

But I'm curious to know who this "more" is that they missed out on that they won't be able to get at all in this next season? OJ keeps repeating that samething over and over and over as if they'll never be able to make any more moves after this. That's why some of this is a bit ridiculous.

The trade for Deron included Devin Harris, Derrick Favors (# 3 overall), and two first rounders which turned into #3 and #21.

While Deron's contract was expiring, he did not request/demand a trade nor was there much indication that he would leave Utah. Therefore, the price was higher since the Jazz had a choice whether or not they wanted to trade him. In other words, they had leverage and the Nets had to chase them. That wasnt the case with this trade, which is why people feel like the Cavs could have squeezed more out of Minny.

Wiggins was THE prize in all of this, and I find it hard to believe that the Cavs wouldnt have gotten more if they played hard ball rather than trading Wiggins the instant they could.

I guess this is all meaningless now. I am very happy with getting Love, I dont want any confusion about that. However, I do feel like the Cavs front office somewhat misplayed the situation in an effort to get the deal done ASAP rather than letting the Wolves sweat.

[redsrule]

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Wonder how Bron managed to get those tweets and instagram pics out there? Dude don't have time to take a **** let alone acknowledge other people on his team.

He had a picture of Delladova on one of them right? He probably doesn't even know guys name but put a picture of him up on instagram lmao.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

There was indication that Deron was going to leave Utah once he his contract was up or once he had the opportunity. There were already talks/discussions about it and once he and Sloan had that fight, that pretty much sped up the issue. In other words, they didn't wait for the inevitable, they went ahead and got it out the way, which is why that trade caught everybody off guard especially since we were trying to get Melo at the time, so no we actually didn't have to chase them.

I was one of the people here saying that if Love really wanted to play with Lebron, he'd end up there one way or another and that Cleveland could've ended up with him without giving up Wiggins but that would've been basically up to Love to control the situation by telling folks he would only go to Cleveland and that he didn't want Wiggins to get moved, which only a player like him and of his caliber could pull off. But considering where the Cavs were just a few months ago, I haven't heard anyone say "Man, the Cavs should've tried harder to get more instead of ONLY Love".

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

We dont have to address the C position with desperation, we have Andy, TT, and Haywood. Andy can play C, hopefully he stays healthy with TT playing minutes at C.

That's my point exactly in thinking they should have tried to land Turiaf in this trade. That way no extra moves would have to be made, he's not a FA he's under contract by Minny.


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[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

We still have the players from the Utah deal if we need to make a minor deal at C. Plus Haywood's contract is really valuable(unguaranteed for $10 million in the last year I think). I think its what sets us apart from putting this team compared to when MIA put there team together. We still have assets to make moves, we only gave up 1 pick and still have the MEM pick. We dont have to address the C position with desperation, we have Andy, TT, and Haywood. Andy can play C, hopefully he stays healthy with TT playing minutes at C.

I think you guys have a better chance of winning the lottery again this year than Varejao staying healthy for a full season.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

That's my point exactly in thinking they should have tried to land Turiaf in this trade. That way no extra moves would have to be made, he's not a FA he's under contract by Minny.


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You're acting like guys like Turiaf can't be found though and once again, you're acting like they can't make any more moves at all, which they still can BTW.

[ojandpizza]

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Why would they want to make more moves is my point though, it's not that those guys aren't out there it's that they don't have anyone else that I picture them trading.. I'm assuming Waiters, Thompson, Andy, Marion, Jones, Miller are all set? And apparently Haywood has a very valuably contract, so who would they move? Dellavedova and then have no back up PG, or...?


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[ProfessaPackMan]

2014 Off-Season Thread

Is that a serious question? Lol

No roster is EVER set in August or any point before playoffs. Come on now, you're better than this, lol. Teams are ALWAYS trying to find ways to improve themselves over the course of season, especially if they believe they're 1-2 minor moves away from "making a run". And they can make other moves without having to make trades too.

[cavsfan2]

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Why would they want to make more moves is my point though, it's not that those guys aren't out there it's that they don't have anyone else that I picture them trading.. I'm assuming Waiters, Thompson, Andy, Marion, Jones, Miller are all set? And apparently Haywood has a very valuably contract, so who would they move? Dellavedova and then have no back up PG, or...?


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Assuming they keep the main guys, there is still the 4 million in non guaranteed contracts from the Felix trade as well as a first round pick from the Grizzlies. Won't get much from that, but they could grab a serviceable center I guess.

[BringTheHeat]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Call me crazy/homer/bitter or whatever, but this team isn't as scary as the 2010 Heat were on paper

[rdnk]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Deron wasn't expiring. He had the remainder of the season plus one more after that. No way the Jazz would have gotten that much for a rental.