How good could Jordan have been?

**LedouxRoc** · 06-09-2004, 12:31 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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Fierce2k4 said:
Here we go again with this Kobe vs. Jordan debate. Put Kobe on a NBA team without Shaq then we'll see how great he is, dont get me wrong, kobe is an excellent player, but he gets a bit more credit than he deserves. Yall saw how The Lakers managed last year when shaq was out for like the 1st 10 games. Hell, ill take Tmac before Kobe, and you want to compare him to jordan.....Lets be serious

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I wonder why no one ever says, "Put Shaq on a team without Kobe, or a team without a great SG for that matter"

Yea, we saw what the Lakers did without Shaq, 3-9, but we also saw that when Shaq returned, it took LA til after allstar break to get above .500. Face it, the rest of the team was just horrible the first half of the season. But when they started playing well, towards the end, Shaq sat out a couple of games, and Kobe went like 4 out of 5, averaging 40 pts per and shooting over 50%.

And the fact that you think Mcgrady is better than Kobe speaks volumes.

**Fierce2k4** · 06-09-2004, 12:51 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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LedouxRoc said:
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Fierce2k4 said:
Here we go again with this Kobe vs. Jordan debate. Put Kobe on a NBA team without Shaq then we'll see how great he is, dont get me wrong, kobe is an excellent player, but he gets a bit more credit than he deserves. Yall saw how The Lakers managed last year when shaq was out for like the 1st 10 games. Hell, ill take Tmac before Kobe, and you want to compare him to jordan.....Lets be serious

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I wonder why no one ever says, "Put Shaq on a team without Kobe, or a team without a great SG for that matter"

Yea, we saw what the Lakers did without Shaq, 3-9, but we also saw that when Shaq returned, it took LA til after allstar break to get above .500. Face it, the rest of the team was just horrible the first half of the season. But when they started playing well, towards the end, Shaq sat out a couple of games, and Kobe went like 4 out of 5, averaging 40 pts per and shooting over 50%.

And the fact that you think Mcgrady is better than Kobe speaks volumes.

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You put Shaq on any team in the NBA, I gaureentee you they either make the playoffs. Also what do you mean about the fact that I think tmac is better than kobe speaks volumes

Tmac, without the help of the most dominate player in the nba has gotten his team to the playoffs more times than he has not.

**Fierce2k4** · 06-09-2004, 12:51 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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LedouxRoc said:
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Fierce2k4 said:
Here we go again with this Kobe vs. Jordan debate. Put Kobe on a NBA team without Shaq then we'll see how great he is, dont get me wrong, kobe is an excellent player, but he gets a bit more credit than he deserves. Yall saw how The Lakers managed last year when shaq was out for like the 1st 10 games. Hell, ill take Tmac before Kobe, and you want to compare him to jordan.....Lets be serious

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I wonder why no one ever says, "Put Shaq on a team without Kobe, or a team without a great SG for that matter"

Yea, we saw what the Lakers did without Shaq, 3-9, but we also saw that when Shaq returned, it took LA til after allstar break to get above .500. Face it, the rest of the team was just horrible the first half of the season. But when they started playing well, towards the end, Shaq sat out a couple of games, and Kobe went like 4 out of 5, averaging 40 pts per and shooting over 50%.

And the fact that you think Mcgrady is better than Kobe speaks volumes.

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You put Shaq on any team in the NBA, I gaureentee you they either make the playoffs. Also what do you mean about the fact that I think tmac is better than kobe speaks volumes

Tmac, without the help of the most dominate player in the nba has gotten his team to the playoffs more times than he has not.

**Fierce2k4** · 06-09-2004, 12:51 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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LedouxRoc said:
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Fierce2k4 said:
Here we go again with this Kobe vs. Jordan debate. Put Kobe on a NBA team without Shaq then we'll see how great he is, dont get me wrong, kobe is an excellent player, but he gets a bit more credit than he deserves. Yall saw how The Lakers managed last year when shaq was out for like the 1st 10 games. Hell, ill take Tmac before Kobe, and you want to compare him to jordan.....Lets be serious

<hr /></blockquote>

I wonder why no one ever says, "Put Shaq on a team without Kobe, or a team without a great SG for that matter"

Yea, we saw what the Lakers did without Shaq, 3-9, but we also saw that when Shaq returned, it took LA til after allstar break to get above .500. Face it, the rest of the team was just horrible the first half of the season. But when they started playing well, towards the end, Shaq sat out a couple of games, and Kobe went like 4 out of 5, averaging 40 pts per and shooting over 50%.

And the fact that you think Mcgrady is better than Kobe speaks volumes.

<hr /></blockquote>

You put Shaq on any team in the NBA, I gaureentee you they either make the playoffs. Also what do you mean about the fact that I think tmac is better than kobe speaks volumes

Tmac, without the help of the most dominate player in the nba has gotten his team to the playoffs more times than he has not.

**Sarah** · 06-09-2004, 01:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

**Sarah** · 06-09-2004, 01:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

**Sarah** · 06-09-2004, 01:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

**Rocky** · 06-09-2004, 02:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

**Rocky** · 06-09-2004, 02:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

**Rocky** · 06-09-2004, 02:04 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

**LedouxRoc** · 06-09-2004, 02:48 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-09-2004, 02:48 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-09-2004, 02:48 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

**KillRoy** · 06-09-2004, 02:52 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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If he didn't retire, he would have undoubtedly won 8 consecutive titles.

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maybe... but i would`ve enjoyed seeing a Rockets versus Bulls series! that would have been the dream match-up of the 90`s! but unfortunately it never happen!

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To think that he's the absolute best NBA player that will ever live is just insane.

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no its not.... Jordan has proved many times that he was simply the best ever. but to satisfy people that lack this knowledge... let`s just say he`s the best 2 guard ever.

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I can conclude that you will NEVER, no matter what another player does, give him the credit he deserves.

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not really... i think T-mac, Lebron and a few others are VERY good players but not on the same level as Jordan.

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Do you actually believe evolution is in reverse and players are just forgetting how to shoot the ball.

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you make it sound like Jordan won all of his trophys 50 years ago. let me remind you that he won them less than 15 years ago! evolution takes place over 1000`s of years. but i wouldn`t say today`s NBA players forgot how to shoot they`re just not as skilled offensively as the legends are. but i agree... defense is better today but that`s no excuse for missing wide open jumpers.

**KillRoy** · 06-09-2004, 02:52 PM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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If he didn't retire, he would have undoubtedly won 8 consecutive titles.

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maybe... but i would`ve enjoyed seeing a Rockets versus Bulls series! that would have been the dream match-up of the 90`s! but unfortunately it never happen!

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To think that he's the absolute best NBA player that will ever live is just insane.

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no its not.... Jordan has proved many times that he was simply the best ever. but to satisfy people that lack this knowledge... let`s just say he`s the best 2 guard ever.

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I can conclude that you will NEVER, no matter what another player does, give him the credit he deserves.

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not really... i think T-mac, Lebron and a few others are VERY good players but not on the same level as Jordan.

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Do you actually believe evolution is in reverse and players are just forgetting how to shoot the ball.

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you make it sound like Jordan won all of his trophys 50 years ago. let me remind you that he won them less than 15 years ago! evolution takes place over 1000`s of years. but i wouldn`t say today`s NBA players forgot how to shoot they`re just not as skilled offensively as the legends are. but i agree... defense is better today but that`s no excuse for missing wide open jumpers.

How good could Jordan have been?

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