Michael Jordan - The Legend

**Air23** · 06-10-2004, 05:05 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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Great post McCoy, I often wonder why no one gives Wilt props like Babe Ruth gets props. And Jordan was amazing no doubt, but Kobe has done more at his age than Jordan. If Kobe played in the mid 80's with no defense he would easily have shot over 50% without a doubt. Defense didnt come into play until the bad boys, and then phil taught the bulls defense to win. Both are great but by the time he's done Kobe could have a career as eventful no matter what people think.

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Wilt should get all the props in the world, and noone takes anything from Wilt at all. He played when things were different. The lane was smaller, there was no 3 seconds, etc..., but he is/was great. I don't see anyone calling Shaq Wilt.

As for your statement, MJ did too many things for you to say Kobe is better now. He won virtually every award in the NBA that year, and went on a stretch of games where he averaged triple dips, and just dominated, even the best in the game. I think it's unfair that you guys are trying to hand Kobe something he hasn't earned as did MJ. This man took basketball global. He took the NBA to a new level, he made the game standard people always look to.

This is silly anyhow. For people to say anybody in todays NBA is in MJ's ballpark is silly. Unless you didn't see the man play it is hard to make these claims with a straight face.

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Thank you, KDRE. Folks forget at 25, MJ won the League MVP award, the Defensive Player of the Year award, the All-Star Game MVP award, led his team to 50 wins before losing to a rising Pistons team, averaged 35.0 ppg, 54% fg, 84% ft, 5.5 rpg, 6 apg, 3.16 spg (over 100 steals that year), and 1.6 bpg (over 100 blocks that year).

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:06 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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Air23 said:
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Great post McCoy, I often wonder why no one gives Wilt props like Babe Ruth gets props. And Jordan was amazing no doubt, but Kobe has done more at his age than Jordan. If Kobe played in the mid 80's with no defense he would easily have shot over 50% without a doubt. Defense didnt come into play until the bad boys, and then phil taught the bulls defense to win. Both are great but by the time he's done Kobe could have a career as eventful no matter what people think.

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You do realise that 1) Kobe has had Shaq on his team, and 2) defenses in the 80's were WAY better than they are today and players were were WAY more skilled and just as athletic as they are today, right?

I like Kobe (he's one of my favorite players today), but answer this: put Kobe on MJ's Bulls teams with the same opposition MJ faced (way more better teams than today and that is a fact)--do you think Kobe's team would be as successful as MJ's?

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No. The Bad Boys would kill him and we all know it. Talking about having a PG problem. DET would wipe the floor with this Lakers team including Kobe.

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:06 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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Air23 said:
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Great post McCoy, I often wonder why no one gives Wilt props like Babe Ruth gets props. And Jordan was amazing no doubt, but Kobe has done more at his age than Jordan. If Kobe played in the mid 80's with no defense he would easily have shot over 50% without a doubt. Defense didnt come into play until the bad boys, and then phil taught the bulls defense to win. Both are great but by the time he's done Kobe could have a career as eventful no matter what people think.

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You do realise that 1) Kobe has had Shaq on his team, and 2) defenses in the 80's were WAY better than they are today and players were were WAY more skilled and just as athletic as they are today, right?

I like Kobe (he's one of my favorite players today), but answer this: put Kobe on MJ's Bulls teams with the same opposition MJ faced (way more better teams than today and that is a fact)--do you think Kobe's team would be as successful as MJ's?

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No. The Bad Boys would kill him and we all know it. Talking about having a PG problem. DET would wipe the floor with this Lakers team including Kobe.

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:06 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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Air23 said:
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poster said:
Great post McCoy, I often wonder why no one gives Wilt props like Babe Ruth gets props. And Jordan was amazing no doubt, but Kobe has done more at his age than Jordan. If Kobe played in the mid 80's with no defense he would easily have shot over 50% without a doubt. Defense didnt come into play until the bad boys, and then phil taught the bulls defense to win. Both are great but by the time he's done Kobe could have a career as eventful no matter what people think.

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You do realise that 1) Kobe has had Shaq on his team, and 2) defenses in the 80's were WAY better than they are today and players were were WAY more skilled and just as athletic as they are today, right?

I like Kobe (he's one of my favorite players today), but answer this: put Kobe on MJ's Bulls teams with the same opposition MJ faced (way more better teams than today and that is a fact)--do you think Kobe's team would be as successful as MJ's?

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No. The Bad Boys would kill him and we all know it. Talking about having a PG problem. DET would wipe the floor with this Lakers team including Kobe.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-10-2004, 05:12 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-10-2004, 05:12 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-10-2004, 05:12 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

**poster** · 06-10-2004, 05:15 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Name me one player who is kobe's equal at the 2, if you even say vince, paul pierce, or t mac I will puke. All dudes who care about dunking, and scoring nothing else. Kobe is clearly the best 2 guard like jordan was in his time. he will never be jordan but he is making his own name and we might just say no one can be the next kobe. And as for shaq if la lets kobe leave they will pay, shaq is dominat but he is a lazy fat slob who acts like he is god. He is dominat but anyplayer who would have played with shaq in his prime would be second fiddle because no one is as big as him. Thats his advantage but if he and jordan were on the bulls jordan would do the same thing kobe is doing. You give props to shaq, if jordan played with shaq he would have called that slob out by now. He doesnt work as hard as kobe and if he got 100 touches in a game would still cry. I am done with this thread, not mad just an arguement that can not be solved until kobe is done playing. Peace out!

**poster** · 06-10-2004, 05:15 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Name me one player who is kobe's equal at the 2, if you even say vince, paul pierce, or t mac I will puke. All dudes who care about dunking, and scoring nothing else. Kobe is clearly the best 2 guard like jordan was in his time. he will never be jordan but he is making his own name and we might just say no one can be the next kobe. And as for shaq if la lets kobe leave they will pay, shaq is dominat but he is a lazy fat slob who acts like he is god. He is dominat but anyplayer who would have played with shaq in his prime would be second fiddle because no one is as big as him. Thats his advantage but if he and jordan were on the bulls jordan would do the same thing kobe is doing. You give props to shaq, if jordan played with shaq he would have called that slob out by now. He doesnt work as hard as kobe and if he got 100 touches in a game would still cry. I am done with this thread, not mad just an arguement that can not be solved until kobe is done playing. Peace out!

**poster** · 06-10-2004, 05:15 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

Name me one player who is kobe's equal at the 2, if you even say vince, paul pierce, or t mac I will puke. All dudes who care about dunking, and scoring nothing else. Kobe is clearly the best 2 guard like jordan was in his time. he will never be jordan but he is making his own name and we might just say no one can be the next kobe. And as for shaq if la lets kobe leave they will pay, shaq is dominat but he is a lazy fat slob who acts like he is god. He is dominat but anyplayer who would have played with shaq in his prime would be second fiddle because no one is as big as him. Thats his advantage but if he and jordan were on the bulls jordan would do the same thing kobe is doing. You give props to shaq, if jordan played with shaq he would have called that slob out by now. He doesnt work as hard as kobe and if he got 100 touches in a game would still cry. I am done with this thread, not mad just an arguement that can not be solved until kobe is done playing. Peace out!

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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LedouxRoc said:
Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

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They averaged more because everyone could shoot the ball. It's not the same anymore. You calling Dumars and Rodman garbage?

I see. I guess the D is all better now. Those guys couldn't play. Noone else could play D either. I see what you mean.

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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LedouxRoc said:
Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

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They averaged more because everyone could shoot the ball. It's not the same anymore. You calling Dumars and Rodman garbage?

I see. I guess the D is all better now. Those guys couldn't play. Noone else could play D either. I see what you mean.

23 · 06-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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LedouxRoc said:
Bad Boys defense was garbage. Teams still averaged over 100 pts per game, and it ain't because guy back then magically shot the ball better. They have the reputation of being such a great defensive team only because they were the best in a league with subpar or worse defense, and they were only the best because they intimidated guys from driving with cheap and potentially career ending fouls. That type of crap would never be allowed in todays cleaned up NBA, which would basically mean Bill Laimbeer wouldn't have a career.

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They averaged more because everyone could shoot the ball. It's not the same anymore. You calling Dumars and Rodman garbage?

I see. I guess the D is all better now. Those guys couldn't play. Noone else could play D either. I see what you mean.

**LedouxRoc** · 06-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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Name me one player who is kobe's equal at the 2, if you even say vince, paul pierce, or t mac I will puke. All dudes who care about dunking, and scoring nothing else. Kobe is clearly the best 2 guard like jordan was in his time. he will never be jordan but he is making his own name and we might just say no one can be the next kobe. And as for shaq if la lets kobe leave they will pay, shaq is dominat but he is a lazy fat slob who acts like he is god. He is dominat but anyplayer who would have played with shaq in his prime would be second fiddle because no one is as big as him. Thats his advantage but if he and jordan were on the bulls jordan would do the same thing kobe is doing. You give props to shaq, if jordan played with shaq he would have called that slob out by now. He doesnt work as hard as kobe and if he got 100 touches in a game would still cry. I am done with this thread, not mad just an arguement that can not be solved until kobe is done playing. Peace out!

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I mostly agree with you, but I hate when people say a certain player will never be as good as Jordan. Someone will always come along and take the crown. It's just a matter of time.

I can bet you that there are about 5000 people in the US alone that would whoop Bruce Lee's [censored].

**LedouxRoc** · 06-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Re: Michael Jordan - The Legend

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poster said:
Name me one player who is kobe's equal at the 2, if you even say vince, paul pierce, or t mac I will puke. All dudes who care about dunking, and scoring nothing else. Kobe is clearly the best 2 guard like jordan was in his time. he will never be jordan but he is making his own name and we might just say no one can be the next kobe. And as for shaq if la lets kobe leave they will pay, shaq is dominat but he is a lazy fat slob who acts like he is god. He is dominat but anyplayer who would have played with shaq in his prime would be second fiddle because no one is as big as him. Thats his advantage but if he and jordan were on the bulls jordan would do the same thing kobe is doing. You give props to shaq, if jordan played with shaq he would have called that slob out by now. He doesnt work as hard as kobe and if he got 100 touches in a game would still cry. I am done with this thread, not mad just an arguement that can not be solved until kobe is done playing. Peace out!

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I mostly agree with you, but I hate when people say a certain player will never be as good as Jordan. Someone will always come along and take the crown. It's just a matter of time.

I can bet you that there are about 5000 people in the US alone that would whoop Bruce Lee's [censored].

Michael Jordan - The Legend

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