The Unpopular Opinion thread

[J_Posse]

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I've wanted to ask this question here for awhile now, but waited due to it being off topic during the playoffs and the offseason. Also didn't really want to create a entire thread because I wasn't sure how many people would respond, so I'll ask here.

But where do you guys rank or value Chris Webber? In comparison to the other great power forwards, I feel his name just never gets mentioned.

I think in large part he was just so hyped coming out of college, basically expected to be the best PF ever, that his career ended up being somewhat of a let down. Even though most guys could only dream of having the career he did.. He ended playing past his prime which I think hurt him some as well, somewhat similar to how KG is now and Malone/Barkley ring chasing at the end of their careers.

During his prime stretch in Sacramento I always felt he was much closer to guys like Tim and KG than he was to guys like Rasheed and Brand. He put up an impressive 24/11/5 during his best 5 years stretch for the Kings and was basically a do it all type player, became a very solid defender as well..

Anyways where do you guys place him amongst other great PFs or even just the guys of his generation?



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He's in the mix as top 20 PF ever and behind Dirk, KG and Timmy as far as his contemporaries are concerned. He's definitely one the greatest passing big men I ever seen. He would make some pretty ridiculous passes look almost routine when he was in Sacramento. I think never winning a championship really hurt Webber and his legacy more than most. Losing that NCAA championship the way he did just stuck him with the unfair label of a "choker." And never winning in the NBA compounded and exacerbated that stigma, IMO. I still hold him in pretty high regard and think he'd be better than every PF currently in the NBA. He'll never be considered in that upper echelon historically, though.

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[wwharton]

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I've wanted to ask this question here for awhile now, but waited due to it being off topic during the playoffs and the offseason. Also didn't really want to create a entire thread because I wasn't sure how many people would respond, so I'll ask here.

But where do you guys rank or value Chris Webber? In comparison to the other great power forwards, I feel his name just never gets mentioned.

I think in large part he was just so hyped coming out of college, basically expected to be the best PF ever, that his career ended up being somewhat of a let down. Even though most guys could only dream of having the career he did.. He ended playing past his prime which I think hurt him some as well, somewhat similar to how KG is now and Malone/Barkley ring chasing at the end of their careers.

During his prime stretch in Sacramento I always felt he was much closer to guys like Tim and KG than he was to guys like Rasheed and Brand. He put up an impressive 24/11/5 during his best 5 years stretch for the Kings and was basically a do it all type player, became a very solid defender as well..

Anyways where do you guys place him amongst other great PFs or even just the guys of his generation?



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CWebb is extremely underrated imo, but I hate the top 10, top 15, etc. stuff so I wouldn't be one to bring him up. He doesn't deserve to be brought up with guys like Tim and KG who have rings, and guys like Barkley gets tied to the generation with Magic, Bird, Jordan, Ewing and the Dream Team. Webb is just kind of caught in the middle. I think he deserves to be mentioned with Barkley and Karl Malone personally. Not stating how I'd rank them but I think he belongs in that group.

[ehh]

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I've wanted to ask this question here for awhile now, but waited due to it being off topic during the playoffs and the offseason. Also didn't really want to create a entire thread because I wasn't sure how many people would respond, so I'll ask here.

But where do you guys rank or value Chris Webber? In comparison to the other great power forwards, I feel his name just never gets mentioned.

I think in large part he was just so hyped coming out of college, basically expected to be the best PF ever, that his career ended up being somewhat of a let down. Even though most guys could only dream of having the career he did.. He ended playing past his prime which I think hurt him some as well, somewhat similar to how KG is now and Malone/Barkley ring chasing at the end of their careers.

During his prime stretch in Sacramento I always felt he was much closer to guys like Tim and KG than he was to guys like Rasheed and Brand. He put up an impressive 24/11/5 during his best 5 years stretch for the Kings and was basically a do it all type player, became a very solid defender as well..

Anyways where do you guys place him amongst other great PFs or even just the guys of his generation?

Short primes kill a guy when it comes to the historical debates and nostalgia.

C-Webb was my favorite "next gen" guy back in the day, I loved him at UM and early in his NBA career. More than Shaq or Penny or any of those guys.

Sadly he got that loser/choker label and was never able to shake it. It was interesting watching him transition from a power player in college and his first few years in the league to more of a finesse player even before his injury. He was closer to Dirk & KG than he was to second-tier PF's IMO. He was definitely a Tier 1 PF during his short prime.

What-if's are pointless but man things would be crazy if the Kings managed to win the 2002 title. Webber, Dirk and KG all would have one ring, would lead to some interesting debates.

To me he's still the third best PF to enter the league since 1990 (I consider Duncan a center btw). Anthony Davis and Blake have a chance to pass him, we'll see.

He was like Ewing in a way, he was prime was too short and his body started failing him too early. Got knocked for never winning the big one. Two guys at his position were considered better than him (Dirk/KG) like Hakeem & Robinson were considered better than Ewing.

[x Stinkfist x]

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Kevin Garnett is overrated throughout his entire career. He is an all NBA 1st team racist and ahole though....

[ThreeKing]

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Kevin Garnett is overrated throughout his entire career. He is an all NBA 1st team racist and ahold though....

[turty11]

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someone gettin his troll on today...can i report someone for calling a play racist adholes?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Kevin Garnett is overrated throughout his entire career. He is an all NBA 1st team racist and ahold though....

So you're saying that KG is the Clayton Bigsby of the NBA?

[JerzeyReign]

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Kevin Garnett is overrated throughout his entire career. He is an all NBA 1st team racist and ahold though....

Could you hit me up on Twitter and give me some links to why you think like this? Saw a BR article but that just assumed a lot of stuff and since OS isn't a place we can really dig into this, I really want to hear/read your thoughts on this.

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someone gettin his troll on today...can i report someone for calling a play racist adholes?

You want to report me because I called KG racist, throughout his career he's gotten in several fights especially, in the off season playing summer ball, Rick Rickert knows real well....

[OkayC]

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Heres one. I feel that teams(much like players) can get so heavily criticized that they become underrated. Like the spurs, thunder, or bulls for example. The spurs every year are too old to compete(not counting this year), yet they've been a top 3 seed every year for like the last 6 or 7 years. Okc is too poorly coached, and westbrook and durant can't figure out how to play toghether(or whatever the narrative is), yet theyve made a deeper and deeper run into the playoffs since their first year in the playoffs back in 2010. I could go on but i think some get the point. Teams have their deficiencies, but it gets irritating to hear teams and individual players get underrated because of constant criticism the media gives them.

[turty11]

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i wouldnt say anyone underates the spurs, i think its just that they heavily lack media attention because they dont have that 25+ ppg guy, or someone making the top 10 every night like alot of these other teams.

[702]

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I love Jordan Crawford.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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If Brandon Roy wasn't forced to retire, he'd be up there with LBJ and KD in MVP votes. I miss Brandon Roy so much..

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He was one of my favorite players at the time and hated to see him retire .

With that said IMO Damien Lillard has more upside .

[Taer]

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Yeah, I think it's safe to say that people who had their primes in the 50's would not transcend eras. That was a very, very different game of basketball....

I believe that people who had their primes in the 50's would do better in today's era than today's stars would do in the 50's. With the advances in medicine, training, rule changes etc. making success more likely.

George Mikan (perhaps the best Laker of all time) is one of those players that would tear the League up today (6'10" 245lbs).

The shot clock, widening the lane from six to twelve feet ("The Mikan Rule"), and a lot more can be directly or indirectly attributed to him either as a player or an official.

[wwharton]

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I believe that people who had their primes in the 50's would do better in today's era than today's stars would do in the 50's. With the advances in medicine, training, rule changes etc. making success more likely.

George Mikan (perhaps the best Laker of all time) is one of those players that would tear the League up today (6'10" 245lbs).

The shot clock, widening the lane from six to twelve feet ("The Mikan Rule"), and a lot more can be directly or indirectly attributed to him either as a player or an official.

Then you account for advancements in what players TRY to do based ONLY on the fact they've watched other greats improve on their game in ways that weren't even imaginable in the 50's. Players see one guy do it, they work to duplicate and then improve on it... next generation does the same, rinse and repeat. Factor in the availability of games for kids to watch as the years went on, to break downs in youtube videos, and now even big guys doing the Mikan drill look different than in the 50's.

I think it's really hard to say players of either era could/could not play in the other. How much are we assuming they've benefited over time? Are we assuming that today's players in the 50's have the basketball knowledge of the 50's players?