Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

[sonofsiam]

Firstly, let me state I am not a Kobe fan as a person. I dislike the Lakers, always have done.

Having said that, let's throw all the BS out the window and be realistic here. The kid can play. He's not Michael Jordan, but he is the best since. That's not me talking, that's most NBA people talking. When Tim Duncan through to Chris Webber through to Rudy T through to Larry Brown all say it, you listen. He's 26. He may get a hell of a lot better, just as MJ did.

I read so many posts here that say stuff like "look at his record when Shaq didn't play".

Honestly fella's, you have to wonder if you know much about the game. Simple fact : That Lakers team was built around a center. That team had a C taking up a toone of cap room and had complimentary players built to fit. Of course the team would struggle when that C is out. You put Jordan at his peak in that Lakers team minus Shaq and Kobe and he wouldn't have been winning rings.

Jordan always had a rebounder (Grant through to Rodman) and he always had a defensive guru (Pip) and he always had other guys who could bring the ball up (Pip, Kukoc) and he always had shooters (Paxson through to Kerr).

The team was built for him. As it should be. The Lakers were built for Shaq in his prime, as they should have been. Just like Hakeems Rockets were built for him (everyone to the three point line, ball into Dream )

Looking at Kobes record without Shaq is insanely naive. Kobe can't be judged until he's had a team built around him. It's that simple.

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Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

Noone knows the basics because they criticize Kobe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



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Having said that, let's throw all the BS out the window and be realistic here. The kid can play. He's not Michael Jordan, but he is the best since.

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Let's see, TD, KG... okay. No MVP's, no Finals MVP's, no scoring titles, no DPOY awards. okay.. I feel you


No question he can ball with the best of em. He can hit clutch shots. He can be unstoppable when he's hot.

But he's not the only one who is unstoppable when they are hot or those other things either. In other words he's not notches above guys like the couple I just named.






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Honestly fella's, you have to wonder if you know much about the game. Simple fact : That Lakers team was built around a center.

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So just break the plays, curse out the coach, dont listen to him, get him fired, and everything is oooooooooooootttayyy!!!!


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That team had a C taking up a toone of cap room and had complimentary players built to fit. Of course the team would struggle when that C is out.

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Well, noone complained when he won them 3 rings with 3 finals MVP's and why complain when they gave him the money in the 1st place? Now that he's gone, we'll see how 3 slashers do without him in a new system.


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Jordan always had a rebounder (Grant through to Rodman) and he always had a defensive guru (Pip) and he always had other guys who could bring the ball up (Pip, Kukoc) and he always had shooters (Paxson through to Kerr).


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If I'm not mistaken, some of MJ's teammates and the same coaching staff came to LA right?


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Looking at Kobes record without Shaq is insanely naive. Kobe can't be judged until he's had a team built around him. It's that simple.

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That's the problem, Kobe doesn't care about the team, but himself. MJ wish he would have had a player like Shaq on his squad. He'd have murdered the L even much more. Kobe is too selfish to appreciate having that luxury. He could have easily averaged 4 or 5 more assist along with what he was playing with, but decided too many times to dominate the ball himself.

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Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

Noone knows the basics because they criticize Kobe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



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Having said that, let's throw all the BS out the window and be realistic here. The kid can play. He's not Michael Jordan, but he is the best since.

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Let's see, TD, KG... okay. No MVP's, no Finals MVP's, no scoring titles, no DPOY awards. okay.. I feel you


No question he can ball with the best of em. He can hit clutch shots. He can be unstoppable when he's hot.

But he's not the only one who is unstoppable when they are hot or those other things either. In other words he's not notches above guys like the couple I just named.






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Honestly fella's, you have to wonder if you know much about the game. Simple fact : That Lakers team was built around a center.

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So just break the plays, curse out the coach, dont listen to him, get him fired, and everything is oooooooooooootttayyy!!!!


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That team had a C taking up a toone of cap room and had complimentary players built to fit. Of course the team would struggle when that C is out.

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Well, noone complained when he won them 3 rings with 3 finals MVP's and why complain when they gave him the money in the 1st place? Now that he's gone, we'll see how 3 slashers do without him in a new system.


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Jordan always had a rebounder (Grant through to Rodman) and he always had a defensive guru (Pip) and he always had other guys who could bring the ball up (Pip, Kukoc) and he always had shooters (Paxson through to Kerr).


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If I'm not mistaken, some of MJ's teammates and the same coaching staff came to LA right?


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Looking at Kobes record without Shaq is insanely naive. Kobe can't be judged until he's had a team built around him. It's that simple.

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That's the problem, Kobe doesn't care about the team, but himself. MJ wish he would have had a player like Shaq on his squad. He'd have murdered the L even much more. Kobe is too selfish to appreciate having that luxury. He could have easily averaged 4 or 5 more assist along with what he was playing with, but decided too many times to dominate the ball himself.

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Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

Noone knows the basics because they criticize Kobe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



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Having said that, let's throw all the BS out the window and be realistic here. The kid can play. He's not Michael Jordan, but he is the best since.

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Let's see, TD, KG... okay. No MVP's, no Finals MVP's, no scoring titles, no DPOY awards. okay.. I feel you


No question he can ball with the best of em. He can hit clutch shots. He can be unstoppable when he's hot.

But he's not the only one who is unstoppable when they are hot or those other things either. In other words he's not notches above guys like the couple I just named.






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Honestly fella's, you have to wonder if you know much about the game. Simple fact : That Lakers team was built around a center.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

So just break the plays, curse out the coach, dont listen to him, get him fired, and everything is oooooooooooootttayyy!!!!


</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
That team had a C taking up a toone of cap room and had complimentary players built to fit. Of course the team would struggle when that C is out.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


Well, noone complained when he won them 3 rings with 3 finals MVP's and why complain when they gave him the money in the 1st place? Now that he's gone, we'll see how 3 slashers do without him in a new system.


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Jordan always had a rebounder (Grant through to Rodman) and he always had a defensive guru (Pip) and he always had other guys who could bring the ball up (Pip, Kukoc) and he always had shooters (Paxson through to Kerr).


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If I'm not mistaken, some of MJ's teammates and the same coaching staff came to LA right?


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Looking at Kobes record without Shaq is insanely naive. Kobe can't be judged until he's had a team built around him. It's that simple.

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That's the problem, Kobe doesn't care about the team, but himself. MJ wish he would have had a player like Shaq on his squad. He'd have murdered the L even much more. Kobe is too selfish to appreciate having that luxury. He could have easily averaged 4 or 5 more assist along with what he was playing with, but decided too many times to dominate the ball himself.

[nkhera1]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

[nkhera1]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

[nkhera1]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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LOL, man, why not just hit your ignore button. This man makes a post, and I respond with a post with reasons I feel are valid, and you come in with nothing intelligent to add to the post but calling me a ***** and attacking me. Someone needs to stop taking things so personal.

I am not here talking about Mac or anything and didn't mention him. It amazes me how some of you come in attacking me and not my post, and calling me a ***** as if it makes my points less invalid.

Either come with some intelligent basketball debate or dont replay to mine if you think it's old.

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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LOL, man, why not just hit your ignore button. This man makes a post, and I respond with a post with reasons I feel are valid, and you come in with nothing intelligent to add to the post but calling me a ***** and attacking me. Someone needs to stop taking things so personal.

I am not here talking about Mac or anything and didn't mention him. It amazes me how some of you come in attacking me and not my post, and calling me a ***** as if it makes my points less invalid.

Either come with some intelligent basketball debate or dont replay to mine if you think it's old.

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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LOL, man, why not just hit your ignore button. This man makes a post, and I respond with a post with reasons I feel are valid, and you come in with nothing intelligent to add to the post but calling me a ***** and attacking me. Someone needs to stop taking things so personal.

I am not here talking about Mac or anything and didn't mention him. It amazes me how some of you come in attacking me and not my post, and calling me a ***** as if it makes my points less invalid.

Either come with some intelligent basketball debate or dont replay to mine if you think it's old.

[sonofsiam]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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It's hilarious. The guy is obsessed

I can picture him in this room with 100's of T-Mac posters. Throwing bricks at the TV every time someone says something positive about Kobe or negative about Mac. Crying for hours alone on a bus as he reads an opinion piece where Mac is taken apart.

The ironic thing is, if Kobe got up and left Orlando as Mac did. Quit mid season and cried off, KDRE would have crucified Bryant.

And I say that as a Rockets fan who likes Mac. But facts are facts.

[sonofsiam]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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It's hilarious. The guy is obsessed

I can picture him in this room with 100's of T-Mac posters. Throwing bricks at the TV every time someone says something positive about Kobe or negative about Mac. Crying for hours alone on a bus as he reads an opinion piece where Mac is taken apart.

The ironic thing is, if Kobe got up and left Orlando as Mac did. Quit mid season and cried off, KDRE would have crucified Bryant.

And I say that as a Rockets fan who likes Mac. But facts are facts.

[sonofsiam]

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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nkhera1 said:
kdre is the biggest kobe ***** i have ever seen. Its getting pretty old. Just because he MAY be a bit better than T-Mac you don't have to bash him for eternity. Its not like t-mac is a saint either


edit: I mean its not like kobe is clean and we are all sick of his bull but lighten up a bit. It starting to be like jmood88 talking about madden games.

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It's hilarious. The guy is obsessed

I can picture him in this room with 100's of T-Mac posters. Throwing bricks at the TV every time someone says something positive about Kobe or negative about Mac. Crying for hours alone on a bus as he reads an opinion piece where Mac is taken apart.

The ironic thing is, if Kobe got up and left Orlando as Mac did. Quit mid season and cried off, KDRE would have crucified Bryant.

And I say that as a Rockets fan who likes Mac. But facts are facts.

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It's hilarious. The guy is obsessed

I can picture him in this room with 100's of T-Mac posters. Throwing bricks at the TV every time someone says something positive about Kobe or negative about Mac. Crying for hours alone on a bus as he reads an opinion piece where Mac is taken apart.

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Oh me oh my. I come with a different outlook, and you guys continue to attack me. You can say what you will anytime you wish, but I can't say anything but squeaky clean thoughts about god Kobe, heaven forbid.

It's actually amazing how you guys totally jump on me instead of having an intelligent basketball debate with me here. I respond to you saying noone knows anything about the game I guess unless they agree with you with a valid post, and you again attack me for expressing my thoughts.

Should I only say good things about god now? Shall I not say anything that actually happened? Shall I act as though the thought police is upon me?

Tell me oh enlightened one, tell me how to post please?

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It's hilarious. The guy is obsessed

I can picture him in this room with 100's of T-Mac posters. Throwing bricks at the TV every time someone says something positive about Kobe or negative about Mac. Crying for hours alone on a bus as he reads an opinion piece where Mac is taken apart.

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Oh me oh my. I come with a different outlook, and you guys continue to attack me. You can say what you will anytime you wish, but I can't say anything but squeaky clean thoughts about god Kobe, heaven forbid.

It's actually amazing how you guys totally jump on me instead of having an intelligent basketball debate with me here. I respond to you saying noone knows anything about the game I guess unless they agree with you with a valid post, and you again attack me for expressing my thoughts.

Should I only say good things about god now? Shall I not say anything that actually happened? Shall I act as though the thought police is upon me?

Tell me oh enlightened one, tell me how to post please?