What a shocker

[NumberOneRB]

Re: What a shocker

I dont' think it's right for any of us to say that any woman "deserves" to be raped. I think what people are trying to say is that by saying that she's "asking for it" they really mean that, when you put yourself into a situation such as this, you're basically telling yourself that you are willing to accept the consequences that occur during this event. By this young woman walking into Kobe's hotel room and probably wanting to engage in sexual acts with him, she was willing to accept the consequences that would occur while performing these sexual acts with him. People do things sometimes knowing the cosequences of their actions, but decide to do them anyway. When you snow ski down a dangerous mountain slope, you know the possibility of fatal injuries, but people do it anyway. Stunt men who do coutless stunts for fans know the fatal consequences in doing so, yet they still perform them. Football players know of the consequences of playing, but are willing to cope with these consequences and still play. I'm not saying the woman deserved to be raped, I'm just saying that if she didn't want a situation like this to occur, then she never should have put herself in that situation in the first place. She should have more respect for herself and her body as well as respect for Kobe's wife. And Kobe does not get off easy here either because he should have been the real man that he claims to be and not even put "himself" in this situation. He should have more respect for himself and his beautiful wife.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: What a shocker

I dont' think it's right for any of us to say that any woman "deserves" to be raped. I think what people are trying to say is that by saying that she's "asking for it" they really mean that, when you put yourself into a situation such as this, you're basically telling yourself that you are willing to accept the consequences that occur during this event. By this young woman walking into Kobe's hotel room and probably wanting to engage in sexual acts with him, she was willing to accept the consequences that would occur while performing these sexual acts with him. People do things sometimes knowing the cosequences of their actions, but decide to do them anyway. When you snow ski down a dangerous mountain slope, you know the possibility of fatal injuries, but people do it anyway. Stunt men who do coutless stunts for fans know the fatal consequences in doing so, yet they still perform them. Football players know of the consequences of playing, but are willing to cope with these consequences and still play. I'm not saying the woman deserved to be raped, I'm just saying that if she didn't want a situation like this to occur, then she never should have put herself in that situation in the first place. She should have more respect for herself and her body as well as respect for Kobe's wife. And Kobe does not get off easy here either because he should have been the real man that he claims to be and not even put "himself" in this situation. He should have more respect for himself and his beautiful wife.

[mgoblue]

Re: What a shocker

comparing rape to skiing or stuntmen is kind of a stretch IMO. In those situations you're in control of your destiny, more or less (luck excluded), but with rape a human specificially decides to perform harm to you.

If you drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, do you deserve to be carjacked? Is it partially your fault for being in that neighborhood? Maybe you shouldn't have been there, putting yourself at risk, but it still takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you.

[mgoblue]

Re: What a shocker

comparing rape to skiing or stuntmen is kind of a stretch IMO. In those situations you're in control of your destiny, more or less (luck excluded), but with rape a human specificially decides to perform harm to you.

If you drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, do you deserve to be carjacked? Is it partially your fault for being in that neighborhood? Maybe you shouldn't have been there, putting yourself at risk, but it still takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: What a shocker

comparing rape to skiing or stuntmen is kind of a stretch IMO. In those situations you're in control of your destiny, more or less (luck excluded), but with rape a human specificially decides to perform harm to you.

If you drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, do you deserve to be carjacked? Is it partially your fault for being in that neighborhood? Maybe you shouldn't have been there, putting yourself at risk, but it still takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you.

Yes, if you do drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, and you leave your car unlocked, yes you do deserved to be carjacked. And no, when it comes to a situation such as performing stunts and skiing on dangerous slopes, you are not in any way in control of your own destiny. What control do you have if you are dangerously rolling down a jaggedly-rocked snow mountain? What control do you have if you are riding off a ramp on you bike, and in mid flight you realize you misread the distance and landed awkwordly onto the pavement? The only control you have over those situations is to, repeat after me, NOT DO THEM AT ALL, and avoid putting yourself in dangerous positions. And you're proving my point exactly it takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you, rape you, steal your car, or do any harm to you. If you put yourself into a situation where there is more than a 50% chance of harm being done to you, then you must accept the consequences of your decision. She decided to sleep with him, accepting the fact that she may become pregnant, get a sexually transmitted disease, or, sadly, even raped. She made that decision for herself when she decided to sleep with him. No, of course she didin't deserve to be raped, NO ONE DOES, but putting yourself in a sexual situation such as this increases the chances of it happening.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: What a shocker

comparing rape to skiing or stuntmen is kind of a stretch IMO. In those situations you're in control of your destiny, more or less (luck excluded), but with rape a human specificially decides to perform harm to you.

If you drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, do you deserve to be carjacked? Is it partially your fault for being in that neighborhood? Maybe you shouldn't have been there, putting yourself at risk, but it still takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you.

Yes, if you do drive in a relatively bad neighborhood, and you leave your car unlocked, yes you do deserved to be carjacked. And no, when it comes to a situation such as performing stunts and skiing on dangerous slopes, you are not in any way in control of your own destiny. What control do you have if you are dangerously rolling down a jaggedly-rocked snow mountain? What control do you have if you are riding off a ramp on you bike, and in mid flight you realize you misread the distance and landed awkwordly onto the pavement? The only control you have over those situations is to, repeat after me, NOT DO THEM AT ALL, and avoid putting yourself in dangerous positions. And you're proving my point exactly it takes another human to flat out decide to hurt you, rape you, steal your car, or do any harm to you. If you put yourself into a situation where there is more than a 50% chance of harm being done to you, then you must accept the consequences of your decision. She decided to sleep with him, accepting the fact that she may become pregnant, get a sexually transmitted disease, or, sadly, even raped. She made that decision for herself when she decided to sleep with him. No, of course she didin't deserve to be raped, NO ONE DOES, but putting yourself in a sexual situation such as this increases the chances of it happening.

[23]

Re: What a shocker

Well, if it's true that she was trying to leave when he stopped her from going out of the door, then come on man. 1st off he had no biz asking a woman up to his room. She shouldnt have went up there, and he is more at fault simply because he's the one that is married. He should show more maturity in the way he handled the entire trip. He snuck out for surgery on the team, put his bodyguards on a different floor, asked a single woman up to his room at night all alone, is that her fault too?

It all depends on how you look at it, and the way the court has handled the case is completely rediculous. Promiscuous or not, it still doesnt say to me whether or not he didn't or did do it.

I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.

[23]

Re: What a shocker

Well, if it's true that she was trying to leave when he stopped her from going out of the door, then come on man. 1st off he had no biz asking a woman up to his room. She shouldnt have went up there, and he is more at fault simply because he's the one that is married. He should show more maturity in the way he handled the entire trip. He snuck out for surgery on the team, put his bodyguards on a different floor, asked a single woman up to his room at night all alone, is that her fault too?

It all depends on how you look at it, and the way the court has handled the case is completely rediculous. Promiscuous or not, it still doesnt say to me whether or not he didn't or did do it.

I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.

[WTF]

Re: What a shocker

I see no such conviction coming, since Kobe has too many weapons in the evidence.

1) Her lying about having sex around the time she was with Kobe to detectives

2) DNA from a Mr. X being on her person but not on Kobe at her rape examination

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2650918

Like the poster who quoted Chappelle, "open and shut case Johnson, I've seen this once before. It seems this negro broke in and put pictures of himself and his family on the wall"

:y4: :y4: :y4: "Sprinkle some crack on him and lets get out of here"

[WTF]

Re: What a shocker

I see no such conviction coming, since Kobe has too many weapons in the evidence.

1) Her lying about having sex around the time she was with Kobe to detectives

2) DNA from a Mr. X being on her person but not on Kobe at her rape examination

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2650918

Like the poster who quoted Chappelle, "open and shut case Johnson, I've seen this once before. It seems this negro broke in and put pictures of himself and his family on the wall"

:y4: :y4: :y4: "Sprinkle some crack on him and lets get out of here"

[driddy]

Re: What a shocker

Good stuff from Frank Hughes on ESPN today:

I have a question: If Kobe Bryant had had sex with three different women in the days leading up to his encounter with his accuser in Colorado, would anybody even flinch?

In fact, HBO has made an entire series called "Entourage" -- which, by the way, is well worth viewing (if you are a guy, which I assume you are) -- based on the notion that four guys in Hollywood are attempting to get more tail than the Brothers Grimm.

Sleep with seven women in seven nights? Bravo. But if you are the woman accusing Kobe, and you happen to have a voracious sexual appetite, it's enough to make you think she is a criminal.

Another thing bothers me about the proceedings of the last few months: In a few years, when this trial clears up and everything is forgotten, somebody might want to check the bank account of the person who "accidentally" e-mailed the information to all the media outlets.

Oh, and since somebody in the office "accidentally" placed the name of the victim on a Web site, why is that person's name not included in all the news accounts? Shouldn't that person at least be held marginally accountable?

I wonder if Frankie wrote an article about the office staff spending money to buy hang kobe tshirts in bulk. That is very disconcerting. I wonder if the Da's office buys shirts after proving someone is guilty. We already know they light up the cigars before the first prelim. Did Frankie mention the "victim" lieing to detectives? Her sleeping around has nothing to do with being raped. The issue is why did she lie about sleeping around during those hours before and after the rape? That's why those 17 hours are allowed in as evidence. It's a credibility issue, not a "get on my high horse about double standards" issue.

[driddy]

Re: What a shocker

Good stuff from Frank Hughes on ESPN today:

I have a question: If Kobe Bryant had had sex with three different women in the days leading up to his encounter with his accuser in Colorado, would anybody even flinch?

In fact, HBO has made an entire series called "Entourage" -- which, by the way, is well worth viewing (if you are a guy, which I assume you are) -- based on the notion that four guys in Hollywood are attempting to get more tail than the Brothers Grimm.

Sleep with seven women in seven nights? Bravo. But if you are the woman accusing Kobe, and you happen to have a voracious sexual appetite, it's enough to make you think she is a criminal.

Another thing bothers me about the proceedings of the last few months: In a few years, when this trial clears up and everything is forgotten, somebody might want to check the bank account of the person who "accidentally" e-mailed the information to all the media outlets.

Oh, and since somebody in the office "accidentally" placed the name of the victim on a Web site, why is that person's name not included in all the news accounts? Shouldn't that person at least be held marginally accountable?

I wonder if Frankie wrote an article about the office staff spending money to buy hang kobe tshirts in bulk. That is very disconcerting. I wonder if the Da's office buys shirts after proving someone is guilty. We already know they light up the cigars before the first prelim. Did Frankie mention the "victim" lieing to detectives? Her sleeping around has nothing to do with being raped. The issue is why did she lie about sleeping around during those hours before and after the rape? That's why those 17 hours are allowed in as evidence. It's a credibility issue, not a "get on my high horse about double standards" issue.

[TallTell]

Re: What a shocker

Good stuff from Frank Hughes on ESPN today:

I have a question: If Kobe Bryant had had sex with three different women in the days leading up to his encounter with his accuser in Colorado, would anybody even flinch?

In fact, HBO has made an entire series called "Entourage" -- which, by the way, is well worth viewing (if you are a guy, which I assume you are) -- based on the notion that four guys in Hollywood are attempting to get more tail than the Brothers Grimm.

Sleep with seven women in seven nights? Bravo. But if you are the woman accusing Kobe, and you happen to have a voracious sexual appetite, it's enough to make you think she is a criminal.

Another thing bothers me about the proceedings of the last few months: In a few years, when this trial clears up and everything is forgotten, somebody might want to check the bank account of the person who "accidentally" e-mailed the information to all the media outlets.

Oh, and since somebody in the office "accidentally" placed the name of the victim on a Web site, why is that person's name not included in all the news accounts? Shouldn't that person at least be held marginally accountable?

I agree with everything he said. I said it once, and I'll say it again. I don't care how many people she slept with before Kobe Bryant. But if any of you think that sex after Kobe, before the rape kit isn't relevant, you're fooling yourselves. That's like going to the scene of a crime, removing the bullet out of a dead man's body, and replacing it with a walnut.

[TallTell]

Re: What a shocker

Good stuff from Frank Hughes on ESPN today:

I have a question: If Kobe Bryant had had sex with three different women in the days leading up to his encounter with his accuser in Colorado, would anybody even flinch?

In fact, HBO has made an entire series called "Entourage" -- which, by the way, is well worth viewing (if you are a guy, which I assume you are) -- based on the notion that four guys in Hollywood are attempting to get more tail than the Brothers Grimm.

Sleep with seven women in seven nights? Bravo. But if you are the woman accusing Kobe, and you happen to have a voracious sexual appetite, it's enough to make you think she is a criminal.

Another thing bothers me about the proceedings of the last few months: In a few years, when this trial clears up and everything is forgotten, somebody might want to check the bank account of the person who "accidentally" e-mailed the information to all the media outlets.

Oh, and since somebody in the office "accidentally" placed the name of the victim on a Web site, why is that person's name not included in all the news accounts? Shouldn't that person at least be held marginally accountable?

I agree with everything he said. I said it once, and I'll say it again. I don't care how many people she slept with before Kobe Bryant. But if any of you think that sex after Kobe, before the rape kit isn't relevant, you're fooling yourselves. That's like going to the scene of a crime, removing the bullet out of a dead man's body, and replacing it with a walnut.

[TallTell]

Re: What a shocker

Well, if it's true that she was trying to leave when he stopped her from going out of the door, then come on man. 1st off he had no biz asking a woman up to his room. She shouldnt have went up there, and he is more at fault simply because he's the one that is married. He should show more maturity in the way he handled the entire trip. He snuck out for surgery on the team, put his bodyguards on a different floor, asked a single woman up to his room at night all alone, is that her fault too?

It all depends on how you look at it, and the way the court has handled the case is completely rediculous. Promiscuous or not, it still doesnt say to me whether or not he didn't or did do it.

I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.

All your first paragraph proves it that Kobe wanted to have sex with her. Not a crime, he admitted to it. Putting the bodyguards on a different floor(which she did, not him), asking her to his room, etc... all have absolutely no relevance in regards to rape.

You say ayone with any wisdom will be able to figure out which side is telling the truth. Do you realize that the lawyers have been over fabricated stories with their clients for months now? Both stories will probably contain lies, but both will be equally believable. It all comes down to who's telling the story. Credibility