Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

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  • Streets
    Supreme
    • Aug 2004
    • 5787

    #391
    Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    Unlikely. Mavs fans have been pretty supportive of Rondo and there aren't very many players that get booed. Terry likely won't get many boo's in his playoff return to the AAC either.
    Nor should he get booed. He played a very integral role in them winning a title and being a contender for years. He should get cheered. It's very similar to Parsons where it was Houston's choice not to match so there should be no ill will from Dallas fans. The Parsons hate/booing comes from comments he made after leaving the team about the city, the rap video where he "left Houston so easily", and the Mark Cuban selfies in the club (lol). I think the way he left, left a bad taste in the mouths of Houston fans and thus, he got booed. But none is mad at him for getting paid.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    Now, if Rondo starts making bone-headed plays and bricking open shots, you might start hearing some boo's.

    I really want to see this just to see how everyone reacts. it's kind of like how I love watching the villains get cheered and the heroes booed the day after Wrestlemania. Just fun as a fan. Now what would be REALLY funny is if Houston fans cheered Rondo whenever he touched the ball if the series came back to Houston.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    Rondo is going to become the scapegoat for the team in the media but really things haven't been that bad. The Mavs had the best offensive rating in the entire league over the last month of the season, and that was with Rondo in the lineup. Rondo put in some fine defensive performances over the course of the season too, but it seems to me like the playoffs have started and the butting of heads between Rick and Rondo has reared its ugly head again. I think letting Rondo play a 6th man role and play with guys that don't need the ball in their hands much offensively and letting him run the offense in those situations would be a smart way to handle things but I doubt Rondo will accept taking the kind of role at this point. He's too old, he's too stuck in his ways, he's too used to running the offense the way he wants to.
    I agree it seems ideal. Same thing happened with J Smoove, though you have to have Rondo sacrifice and buy-in to the team. Unfortunately, Dallas seems like a pit stop for him to something "better". But he needs to realize he's flushing away millions.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    I understand why we brought him in, and I'm sure we'll see blog post upon think piece upon Tweet about how horrible a decision it was to bring him in. I'm sure we'll get comparisons to what Rondo did here and what Brandan Wright and Jae Crowder did with Phoenix and Boston. I'm sure we'll see lots and lots of Cuban vs. Morey comparisons and people will ask if Cuban has lost the plot and I'm sure tons will say he's hugely overrated and the whole nine yards.
    Eh.. the after trade comparisons happen all the time. It's a large part of how GM's are rated by the public.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    But I understand why we brought him in. In theory, if it works, its a potentially deadly lineup. A lineup of Rondo/Ellis/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler sounded pretty damn good even to the biggest skeptics out there but due to various things its never really panned out and I don't think many anticipated just how badly Carlisle and him would butt heads.
    I will say this... when I heard Morey was throwing his hat into the Rondo sweepstakes I got scared. I did NOT want him on the team if the price was too high (and PG is EASILY our weakest position). We got Smith for free essentially so I could live with it, but did not want to give up the farm for Rondo. I'm very glad he was just pushing up the price a bit.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    As much as I wanted it to work, after last night, I just want this season to be over. I want the Mavs to bring in youth. That's why I don't have a problem with overpaying Parsons, he's young, he's got potential, yeah, he had a poor first season with us, but he also dealt with a bunch of injuries and massive roster turnover throughout the season.
    I'm sorry, but Parsons is just not a guy you can build around. He worked in Houston the same way Ariza, Terry, Brewer, Jones, etc. work in Houston. They are solid role players made much MUCH better by playing with James Harden and Dwight Howard. Chandler excels in an open court free-flowing offense and is good in the run and gun (which will play to his strengths if they do indeed go younger as you suggest), but I think we've seen his ceiling in Houston. If Dirk retires and Rondo jets, you can't give Parsons the ball and ask him to create, he also hasn't played good defense since his first two years in Houston. His struggles look much worse when he doesn't get the open looks that Harden creates or the fast break opportunities Dwight gives. I LOVED Parsons in Houston, mainly because he was one of the best contracts in basketball. Increase his salary by like 500% and suddenly the production per dollar looks really bad when you could essentially spend that money on players who will give you much more.

    Originally posted by SteelersFreak
    I'm tired of seeing the likes of Amare Stoudemire coming in after we trade away other youth. I think Cuban and the Mavs in general need to step back and look at what happened this season. They dominated poor competition but when they played playoff teams they played really poorly. This isn't an upper echelon team, its a misfit band of mostly veterans and castaways from other teams that has just enough firepower to be a solid enough team and get into the playoffs.

    The past few years, that approach has worked well enough with the way guys like Vince Carter and Shawn Marion have played, but its coming to an end. We've traded all our draft picks away the last like 5 years in a row, we have really only two young guys with a lot of upside I'd say in Parsons and Aminu. We still haven't found the next franchise center piece after Dirk. Cuban needs to realize that for whatever reason, Dallas isn't a place where big name free agents are going to run towards with open arms. They're going to go to the Lakers, the Clippers, the Rockets, the Thunder, the Bulls, and other teams like that before the Mavs so we need to actually develop some players of our own instead of letting other teams do it for us and then getting them when they're past their prime or trading the players we do develop ourselves for them.
    The funny thing is, since blowing up the championship squad, Dallas has employed a lot of "names" (Rondo and Amare are great examples), with little regard to fit or chemistry. Yet Mark Cuban says this about the Rockets:

    They just have a different understanding and approach to chemistry than we do. Some teams, and that’s not just the Rockets, just put together talent and the talent takes care of itself. We think chemistry matters.
    A perplexing statement considering the moves Cuban has made. So while I get what they were trying to do bringing Rondo in, the NBA isn't the same as 2K. Cuban has admitted that the rivalry with Houston is personal, stating "all good business is personal", but what happens when you let things get personal is you overpay for Parsons and Rondo rentals. I don't think Morey has that same drive to "kick their asses in free agency" (another Cuban gem) as much as he just wants to make the Rockets better. If Dallas loses in round one, I do think Dallas needs to change their approach and blow it up and go young. Develop talent, draft well, and not throw a bunch of money at big name guys or try to kick Houston's *** (I swear I read somewhere that Beverly was Cuban's next big target but am having trouble finding it). One problem is Parsons is essentially untradeable with that contract and not a guy to build around.
    Last edited by Streets; 04-22-2015, 02:28 PM.

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    • Boltman
      L.A. to S.D. to HI
      • Mar 2004
      • 18283

      #392
      Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Vni
      If they sign Rondo and give him the max, I think the lakers FO deserves some kind of award. But all theses rumours, Kobe wanting Rondo... It's scary.
      Sadly I've heard bean on local sports here (I think it was with John Ireland) say that he'd love Rondo on his squad. *shudder*

      At this point, f it. Whatever happens, happens.

      They better not sign Rondo, draft a damn guard if ya gotta.

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      • Boltman
        L.A. to S.D. to HI
        • Mar 2004
        • 18283

        #393
        Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by 23


        23, you are a sick individual.

        You are so obsessed with bean and the Lakers I'm starting to get that stalker vibe from you lol.

        All the bean gifs should've been a sign.

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #394
          Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Boltman
          Sadly I've heard bean on local sports here (I think it was with John Ireland) say that he'd love Rondo on his squad. *shudder*

          At this point, f it. Whatever happens, happens.

          They better not sign Rondo, draft a damn guard if ya gotta.
          Kobe wanting Rondo is no secrets. I meant all the other rumours like Rondo telling Lakers players he will be there next year, or that he's a prime target for the lakers front office this summer.

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          • Vni
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2011
            • 14833

            #395
            Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

            Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3m3 minutes ago
            ESPN sources says Mavs are ruling out Rajon Rondo indefinitely after back injury he sustained in Game 2

            Back injury.

            Spoiler

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            • King_B_Mack
              All Star
              • Jan 2009
              • 24450

              #396
              Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

              Annnnnd suddenly Rondo is out indefinitely with a "back" injury. Uh huh

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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #397
                Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by Boltman
                Sadly I've heard bean on local sports here (I think it was with John Ireland) say that he'd love Rondo on his squad. *shudder*

                At this point, f it. Whatever happens, happens.

                They better not sign Rondo, draft a damn guard if ya gotta.
                Not just sign but max him

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                • 23
                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #398
                  Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Boltman
                  23, you are a sick individual.

                  You are so obsessed with bean and the Lakers I'm starting to get that stalker vibe from you lol.

                  All the bean gifs should've been a sign.
                  I was too busy staring at the guys laptop trying to figure out what it was.. sorry I can't remember the convo details

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                  • OkayC
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 1928

                    #399
                    Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    Annnnnd suddenly Rondo is out indefinitely with a "back" injury. Uh huh
                    Yea he hurt something alright, but it wasnt his back. More like his chances of coming back to dallas lol
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                    • DJ_Solis
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 2216

                      #400
                      Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                      That might be my favorite gif ever lol
                      Anyways, I really didn't expect the Mavs to implode like this. Hell, maybe they'll be better without him and more Felton/Barea in the lineup. And I never thought I would say that.


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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #401
                        Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                        Parsons out for the season also... Nobody cares?

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                        • Streets
                          Supreme
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5787

                          #402
                          Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by 23
                          Parsons out for the season also... Nobody cares?
                          Not really. It's more the way he (Rondo) went out, the fact that he's going to be a free agent, and... the fact that he's not really injured that's grabbing everyone's attention.

                          Parsons is actually injured, and isn't going anywhere. He'll be eating on Dirk's dime for years.

                          I will say, the Rockets better come out with laser focus in game 3. I expect the Mavs without the on court distractions and in front of their home crowd to make a serious statement. If Houston plays like they did in game 2, thinking it's going to be a cakewalk up 2 with Rondo out, they could easily lose game 3.

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #403
                            Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                            What a mess, lol

                            Wish we would've kept the 2 seed...

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #404
                              Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                              Nevermind...
                              Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 04-22-2015, 05:41 PM. Reason: Answered my own question
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • OkayC
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2013
                                • 1928

                                #405
                                Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                                So carlisle says this is rondos last game as a mav
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