2015 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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Strictly through FA signings and the draft (because trades are unpredictable), is there any moves that an EC team can make that would be good enough to dethrone Cleveland from the EC throne? I can't think of any.

Out west is a different story though, if say LaMarcus Aldridge or Marc Gasol signs with San Antonio, I think they'd likely become the WC favorite. This is really early but I was just wondering about it this morning.

Chicago making no moves and staying healthy has just as good of a shot as Cleveland. Wizards will be back, Indy will be top 3 again with a healthy PG, Miami should be good assuming they stay healthy, Bucks will be solid if they land a big man with the space they've cleared.

A healthy Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside should compete with anybody.


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[cima]

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Chicago making no moves and staying healthy has just as good of a shot as Cleveland. Wizards will be back, Indy will be top 3 again with a healthy PG, Miami should be good assuming they stay healthy, Bucks will be solid if they land a big man with the space they've cleared.

A healthy Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside should compete with anybody.


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Chicago I can see though Gasol being another year older isn't going to help anything. Indiana is going to need a lot more than a healthy Paul George to be top 3 again. Miami should be good but I'm just waiting for it to blow up in their face with Wade signing with Cleveland. The Big 3 taught us never say never when it comes to FA signings (realm of possibility is small, I'd just personally rather see it for the epic trolling that would occur). Bucks could be a legit team though they're still probably a year or two away from really competing. I think as long as Cleveland stays healthy, they're still the definite team to beat.

Out west though, I think SA is going to make one last run at it and if they land Aldridge, they'll be a tough team to defeat. Can't wait for free agency to start...

[redsrule]

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Strictly through FA signings and the draft (because trades are unpredictable), is there any moves that an EC team can make that would be good enough to dethrone Cleveland from the EC throne? I can't think of any.

Out west is a different story though, if say LaMarcus Aldridge or Marc Gasol signs with San Antonio, I think they'd likely become the WC favorite. This is really early but I was just wondering about it this morning.

I thought we already went over this in the OT thread? LeBron is opting out and signing with Detroit. Detroit then sweeps through the East on route to another title.

[cima]

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I thought we already went over this in the OT thread? LeBron is opting out and signing with Detroit. Detroit then sweeps through the East on route to another title.

Oh yeah, duh. My bad.

[702]

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Late but man that fit for Lance is garbage. He doesn't shoot well enough to space for the bigs. And he needs to be a lead ball handler but I'd rather have either Paul or Blake being the lead ball handler at all times.

I still believe in Lance but man this is not the spot for him. Hope it works out cause if it doesn't he's not going to get any good opportunities after.

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Late but man that fit for Lance is garbage. He doesn't shoot well enough to space for the bigs. And he needs to be a lead ball handler but I'd rather have either Paul or Blake being the lead ball handler at all times.

I still believe in Lance but man this is not the spot for him. Hope it works out cause if it doesn't he's not going to get any good opportunities after.

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They can use a slasher badly so Doc had better get that shooting athletic SF they need.

If not he's messed the roster up even more.

[King_B_Mack]

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Now if they could get rid of Henderson

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[ojandpizza]

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Late but man that fit for Lance is garbage. He doesn't shoot well enough to space for the bigs. And he needs to be a lead ball handler but I'd rather have either Paul or Blake being the lead ball handler at all times.

I still believe in Lance but man this is not the spot for him. Hope it works out cause if it doesn't he's not going to get any good opportunities after.

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Clippers have CP3, JJ, Crawford, Doc's kid, and even Blake this year for spacing. They desperately needed a player who could get to the rim. I feel like JJ and Barne's always hurt them by being too one dimensional. Didn't offer much aside from spot up shooting.

They can use a slasher badly so Doc had better get that shooting athletic SF they need.



If not he's messed the roster up even more.

I actually think that can be Lance's spot if they need it to be. The only player out West from the small forward spot that Lance couldn't matchup with in a playoff series would be Durant's length. Otherwise he should be ok at either spot, 2 or 3.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Don't get your hopes up Laker fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2498181-jimmy-butler-latest-contract-news-rumors-speculation-on-bulls-stars-future?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

The Chicago Bulls knew they'd have to pay for their mistake of lowballing Jimmy Butler in contract-extension talks. If recent reports are to be believed, they could be paying sooner than they ever thought.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports reported Butler plans to pursue shorter contracts this summer rather than sign the five-year max deal the Bulls are expected to offer. Chicago can offer Butler a five-year contract worth $90 million.

While that offer is the maximum allowable, Butler and his management are said to be seeking a short-term deal so he could re-enter free agency when the new television deal kicks in.

The NBA and its partners signed a massive extension last fall that does not begin until the 2016-17 season. The increased revenue from that deal has the NBA projecting an $89 million cap in 2016-17 and $108 million cap in 2017-18. For reference, the 2014-15 salary cap was $63.2 million.

That knowledge leaves free agents like Butler and their representatives at a bit of a crossroads. No one knows quite what to make of the NBA contractual landscape at this time. Max contracts under the current TV contract will soon pale in comparison to those that start in 2016, meaning the Butlers of the world will lose out on tens of millions of dollars through no fault of their own.Wojnarowski points out Butler could sign a three-year, $50 million offer sheet with a player option in the third season to offset those losses. It would be a similar deal to the one signed by Dallas Mavericks forward Chandler Parsons last summer, which the Houston Rockets refused to match.

While the Bulls plan to match any deal given to Butler (as they should), Wojnarowski cites sources who said the All-Star guard is at least considering his post-Chicago career: "As Butler spends time in Los Angeles this summer, a stretch that’s included an overseas Entourage promotional jaunt with producer Mark Wahlberg, Butler’s intrigue with signing a potential Los Angeles Lakers offer sheet has increased, league sources told Yahoo Sports."

The Bulls have said they will offer Butler the maximum or match any offer sheet he signs, according to K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune.

There are other considerations Butler will need to make in the coming weeks. The NBPA has publicly said it plans to opt out of the collective bargaining agreement in 2017, the year Butler would become an unrestricted free agent if he opted out of a three-year pact after Year 2. Given how vastly different the NBA's contractual landscape looked after the last CBA negotiations, it's possible the financial bonanza lasts only one free-agency period.

No matter which way you look at it, Bulls management made a dire mistake quibbling over relative pittance in October extension talks. Chicago offered Butler a four-year deal that capped out at $40 or 44 million, depending upon the report you read. As Wojnarowski notes, Butler and his management made clear they would have accepted a $48 million pact—almost a nonexistent difference in NBA contractual terms.

The Bulls declined.

Now, even in the best-case scenario, the Bulls will be more than doubling what they wanted to pay for Butler—not smart management for a team that's undergoing massive internal turmoil.

I love the way they're framing this like the Bulls really did Butler dirty or some ****. Dude wasn't trash by any means whatsoever last year, but his offensive game improved by leaps and bounds in one offseason (and credit to him for getting in the gym and putting in that work) but to act like giving Jimmy Butler 48 or 50 million dollars or more coming off his rookie deal based off what we'd all seen of him at that point was a no brainer move is a joke.

[redsox4evur]

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Don't get your hopes up Laker fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2498181-jimmy-butler-latest-contract-news-rumors-speculation-on-bulls-stars-future?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

I love the way they're framing this like the Bulls really did Butler dirty or some ****. Dude wasn't trash by any means whatsoever last year, but his offensive game improved by leaps and bounds in one offseason (and credit to him for getting in the gym and putting in that work) but to act like giving Jimmy Butler 48 or 50 million dollars or more coming off his rookie deal based off what we'd all seen of him at that point was a no brainer move is a joke.

I always knew from the beginning that he was never going to be leaving CHI, they were going to match or give him the best offer. He is too valuable to that team. He is easily their 2nd or 3rd best player behind Pau/Noah.

[702]

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Clippers have CP3, JJ, Crawford, Doc's kid, and even Blake this year for spacing. They desperately needed a player who could get to the rim. I feel like JJ and Barne's always hurt them by being too one dimensional. Didn't offer much aside from spot up shooting.

They hurt them because they couldn't make anything in the Houston series not because they couldn't drive. Austin isn't anyone you can truly rely on for anything.

Jamal might be gone this summer, and though he can shoot he poses the same problem of fit that will exist with Paul and Blake. Lance needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

Is taking the ball out of Paul's hands so Lance can play his game and try to run a pick and roll the defense will go under every time with the other bigs man cheating off him worth it? If I need a bucket, the ball is in either Paul or Blake's hands. This turns Lance into a spot up shooter which is exactly what derailed him in Charlotte.

The best hope is he can get his jumper together and be enough of a threat defenses have to respect him and he can attack closeouts following some other action, but so far he doesn't look like that can really be his game.

Guess they kind of put themselves in a corner with this roster though, and need to take the gamble on talent winning out. I like Lantz though, hope he can work this to his benefit.

[cima]

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Don't get your hopes up Laker fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2498181-jimmy-butler-latest-contract-news-rumors-speculation-on-bulls-stars-future?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

I love the way they're framing this like the Bulls really did Butler dirty or some ****. Dude wasn't trash by any means whatsoever last year, but his offensive game improved by leaps and bounds in one offseason (and credit to him for getting in the gym and putting in that work) but to act like giving Jimmy Butler 48 or 50 million dollars or more coming off his rookie deal based off what we'd all seen of him at that point was a no brainer move is a joke.

Man that would kill you guys if he leaves. Those team turbulence rumors are going to run rampant now. For the sake of the EC, I hope he stays. Really enjoyed his battles with Bron this year.

[702]

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I always knew from the beginning that he was never going to be leaving CHI, they were going to match or give him the best offer. He is too valuable to that team. He is easily their 2nd or 3rd best player behind Pau/Noah.

He is easily their best player. Those guys are both liabilities on one end of the floor.

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[wwharton]

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He is easily their best player. Those guys are both liabilities on one end of the floor.

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I'd even take Pau over Noah. But yeah, Butler is more valuable than both of them. You could even make a case for him as their best player if we're only considering this past year (don't think it'd be smart to just consider this year).

[ehh]

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What happened to Noah this year? Was it just a bad fit with Pau? Didn't watch a ton of CHI games this year.

His FG% has gone down for five consecutive season. Barf.