Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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I think that's what is going to happen. But my question is what is going to happen when LeBron starts posting up. You can't give a cushion on post ups.

At what point are we going to realize that LeBron is NEVER going to consistently post up? He could have completely dominated the Bulls posting up and he never did it. He posted up a few times in a couple games but he never really took over his matchup with Jimmy who clearly couldn't do anything with him once he started posting up.

[The 24th Letter]

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At what point are we going to realize that LeBron is NEVER going to consistently post up? He could have completely dominated the Bulls posting up and he never did it. He posted up a few times in a couple games but he never really took over his matchup with Jimmy who clearly couldn't do anything with him once he started posting up.

He received the ball in the post quite a bit....he just followed it with facing up and holding the ball the majority of the time, lol

It's perplexing because there isn't a 3 in the league who can stop him from backing down...guess he's not comfortable with it...

[King_B_Mack]

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He received the ball in the post quite a bit....he just followed it with facing up and holding the ball the majority of the time, lol

It's perplexing because there isn't a 3 in the league who can stop him from backing down...guess he's not comfortable with it...

Yeah he got the ball down there some, but if he didn't do anything with it, what's the point lol? Jimmy held him in check for the most part in that series outside of game 5. He never really had a LeBron game besides then, whereas had he consistently been working in the post, he'd have had a monster series. The team took care of business anyway, it's just mind numbingly frustrating to know that LeBron carries this rocket launcher into battle every night, but continues to go to the pistol and the pocket knives almost exclusively.

[SteelersFreak]

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Team Basketball doesn't win NBA Titles. Superstars do.

I can think of a certain championship team from 4 years ago that disagrees.

[The 24th Letter]

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Yeah he got the ball down there some, but if he didn't do anything with it, what's the point lol? Jimmy held him in check for the most part in that series outside of game 5. He never really had a LeBron game besides then, whereas had he consistently been working in the post, he'd have had a monster series. The team took care of business anyway, it's just mind numbingly frustrating to know that LeBron carries this rocket launcher into battle every night, but continues to go to the pistol and the pocket knives almost exclusively.

Oh I agree with you, was just saying....that's probably what pads a lot of his "post up" stats....I bet they're pretty high for the series if you look at the #'s

Him and Rasheeed Wallace will probably both be in the "should've posted up more" Hall of Fame...

[SteelersFreak]

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Team ball CAN win a championship, if you have multiple amazing players.

People using 04 Pistons and Last Year's Spurs are completely ignoring the fact that the Pistons had probably 4 guys in their lineup that was clearly at a star level, not to mention one of the best defensive guys in the history of the game.

I don't think I really need to mention that the Spurs have a superstar still. And last year, they had the energy and skill to still compete.

Team ball will only win if you have the talent to beat teams. Hawks don't have that. They could win this series, but they'd get crushed in the Finals because they simply don't have talent.

But I'm sure everyone will overlook that and simply focus on that statement. That's fine, history proves my point.

Edit: As for the Cavs not having quality depth...okay, that's what they said last series too. It's not like Shump and JR and Thompson and Jones haven't been doing the exact thing they did last series all year. People just assume that the Cavs depth isn't good because...I have no idea.

Oh well, perhaps if they win another series, they'll get the credit they deserve.

The Hawks don't have the talent to beat teams? That's a pretty ****ing strange thing to say about them considering they had the second best record in the league and are going to the Eastern Conference Finals.

[King_B_Mack]

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The Hawks don't have the talent to beat teams? That's a pretty ****ing strange thing to say about them considering they had the second best record in the league and are going to the Eastern Conference Finals.

This doubting the Hawks thing is getting pretty laughable at this point. If guys want to say they don't think they can win the championship, okay I guess. That's one thing, but don't have the talent to beat teams? Uhhh okay.

[BleacherBum2310]

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This team basketball conversation is just stupid. I mean Al Horford and Millsap are really freaking good and if you had a concern about Wall don't you have to be a little concerned about Teague come on. There also some Lineups that will give the Cavs fits. Let's also hope this is the series that gets Korver to return to the normal.

The Cavs should win but stop the non sense plz.

[jeebs9]

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Oh I agree with you, was just saying....that's probably what pads a lot of his "post up" stats....I bet they're pretty high for the series if you look at the #'s

Him and Rasheeed Wallace will probably both be in the "should've posted up more" Hall of Fame...

I was just thinking about Sheed.

[OSUFan_88]

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It was early in the morning, that's clearly NOT what I meant. I apologize. They certainly can beat teams, but they don't have the talent of a team like the 04 Pistons or last year's Spurs, or even the 2010 Mavs. They have one guy I'd consider close to elite at his position in the NBA, and that's Teague. The rest are good role players, good NBA starters. But usually, that has a very certain ceiling in the NBA. And since the East is laughably bad, they have ridden it further than most teams could.

The Hawks took advantages of circumstances this year. They most certainly are very well coached, and they bought into the team aspect. But does anyone believe that even if the make the Finals, how many here believe they could beat a team like the Warriors or Clippers?

Whatever, most considered the Bulls-Cavs the ECF. And now, because the Cavs won, people ignore that. If the Bulls had won, everyone would be crowning them now. I'm getting used to the double standard.

[The 24th Letter]

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I can think of a certain championship team from 4 years ago that disagrees.

I think a certain German would disagree that he wasn't a superstar....

I would say it takes a mixture of both. I think everyone would agree that the Celtics play team ball, but they didn't have the talent.....that's why they're home. Now I'm not saying the Hawks are the Celtics....but while I personally picked them, I can see why people would pick against them....especially after the first two rounds.

[SteelersFreak]

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I think a certain German would disagree that he wasn't a superstar....

I would say it takes a mixture of both. I think everyone would agree that the Celtics play team ball, but they didn't have the talent.....that's why they're home. Now I'm not saying the Hawks are the Celtics....but while I personally picked them, I can see why people would pick against them....especially after the first two rounds.

You could say Dirk was a superstar, but at the time people certainly weren't calling Dirk a superstar. Heard people mocking him for not getting out of the early rounds the previous years more than anything and still talking about how soft he was and how he needed another star player next to him and blah blah blah. My point was that the Mavs in 2011 didn't just fall back onto Dirk every time they needed points, sure he carried them through some games, but guys like Terry, Kidd, Marion, Chandler and even Deshawn Stevenson and Brian Cardinal were very important parts of that championship.

I just think its ridiculous to try and say that team ball can NEVER win a championship without a bonafide superstar.

[DaImmaculateONe]

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They have one guy I'd consider close to elite at his position in the NBA, and that's Teague. The rest are good role players, good NBA starters. But usually, that has a very certain ceiling in the NBA. And since the East is laughably bad, they have ridden it further than most teams could.

Funny that you would say that, I probably wouldnt even consider teague a top 5 pg in the east let alone elite. But Milsap and Horford what other starting pf and c's are better than them overall in the east.

[SteelersFreak]

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It was early in the morning, that's clearly NOT what I meant. I apologize. They certainly can beat teams, but they don't have the talent of a team like the 04 Pistons or last year's Spurs, or even the 2010 Mavs. They have one guy I'd consider close to elite at his position in the NBA, and that's Teague. The rest are good role players, good NBA starters. But usually, that has a very certain ceiling in the NBA. And since the East is laughably bad, they have ridden it further than most teams could.

The Hawks took advantages of circumstances this year. They most certainly are very well coached, and they bought into the team aspect. But does anyone believe that even if the make the Finals, how many here believe they could beat a team like the Warriors or Clippers?

Whatever, most considered the Bulls-Cavs the ECF. And now, because the Cavs won, people ignore that. If the Bulls had won, everyone would be crowning them now. I'm getting used to the double standard.

I would say guys like Horford and Millsap are a little more than "good role players".

And I certainly don't think most here would be crowning the Bulls Eastern Conference champions if they were going to play the Hawks, I know I sure wouldn't. I think your persecution complex is hilarious though.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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It was early in the morning, that's clearly NOT what I meant. I apologize. They certainly can beat teams, but they don't have the talent of a team like the 04 Pistons or last year's Spurs, or even the 2010 Mavs. They have one guy I'd consider close to elite at his position in the NBA, and that's Teague. The rest are good role players, good NBA starters. But usually, that has a very certain ceiling in the NBA. And since the East is laughably bad, they have ridden it further than most teams could.

The Hawks took advantages of circumstances this year. They most certainly are very well coached, and they bought into the team aspect. But does anyone believe that even if the make the Finals, how many here believe they could beat a team like the Warriors or Clippers?

Whatever, most considered the Bulls-Cavs the ECF. And now, because the Cavs won, people ignore that. If the Bulls had won, everyone would be crowning them now. I'm getting used to the double standard.

I definitely believe they could beat the Rockets or the Clippers in a 7 game series.