ESPN Top 100 list

[Jeffx]

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West had a more complete game than Curry. He was probably the best point guard defender in history and had legit 25 foot range on his jumper. Could run and jump at the highest level and would be a definite all star if playing today.


Erving in the ABA was an even better player than he was in the NBA. His lateral and vertical movement was unbelievable which meant his defense was outstanding. Even still, his NBA game was more complete than people think. He could drive on anyone, pass, handle, rebound, and rise to the occasion in the clutch.


Garnett isn't really worthy of being on a list like this. He functioned as a huge jump shooter mostly who couldn't challenge at the rim without getting smalls and mediums switched onto him. His team defense was outstanding but he was put at serous risk when his fronting and three quartering of the low post failed. Worst of all, he failed in the vast majority of clutch situations he was placed in.


I agree that Dirk and Pau Gasol are more evenly matched than people remember.


The crafters of this list are younger and likely never saw the greats of the 50s and 60s. This should be taken with a grain of salt.

...and there it is, especially the last sentence. Thank you.

West and Oscar are Top 10, IMO. And no Rick Barry? WHAT???

[AlexBrady]

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...and there it is, especially the last sentence. Thank you.

West and Oscar are Top 10, IMO. And no Rick Barry? WHAT???

Barry was listed but only at 43... too low. His jumper was accurate from the set or on the move unlike James Harden. His team defense was attentive which made up for his poor man to man defense. He didn't need a ridiculous amount of dribbles to be most effective. Barry should be ranked where Harden is and the Beard should be off the list entirely until he improves his defense and leads his team to the Finals.

[Anthraticus]

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Always loved the actual sports, but I think what bores me about all the discussions are the non stop comparisons about about WHO'S BETTER you get all the time from fans. Just so tiresome, subjective and non interesting to me.

[ojandpizza]

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I’d be down with swapping Rick Barry for Allen Iverson for sure.

I don’t think Big O or West need to be top 10 just for the sake of being top 10, that would leave Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Big O, Jerry all in the top 10, that’s more era bias than the era bias we are already complaining about.. I wouldn’t take issue with swapping Big O for Kobe and Jerry for Steph however.

As far as leaving off some older guys go, how about Mourning making the list but someone like Thurmond being left off?

I said my piece on not feeling like Walton played enough healthy years to make lists like this. But since he is on the list I’m questioning how someone like Grant Hill isn’t.

There are a good chunk of names I would take off for Mitch Richmond and Joe Dumars.


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[AlexBrady]

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I’d be down with swapping Rick Barry for Allen Iverson for sure.

I don’t think Big O or West need to be top 10 just for the sake of being top 10, that would leave Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Big O, Jerry all in the top 10, that’s more era bias than the era bias we are already complaining about.. I wouldn’t take issue with swapping Big O for Kobe and Jerry for Steph however.

As far as leaving off some older guys go, how about Mourning making the list but someone like Thurmond being left off?

I said my piece on not feeling like Walton played enough healthy years to make lists like this. But since he is on the list I’m questioning how someone like Grant Hill isn’t.

There are a good chunk of names I would take off for Mitch Richmond and Joe Dumars.


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Iverson was another highly flawed player who doesn't belong on the list. If you are combining the bigs and non-bigs than only Oscar deserves to make the top 10. He was much stronger than west and could simply overpower a ballgame. Kobe was also stronger than West and is worthy of being ranked ahead of West. Curry cannot be mentioned in the same breath as that trio. Thurmond was a better man to man low post defender than mourning and didn't compromise the team defense in search of blocks. It is a joke that Mourning is even listed. Walton was a much more influential player than Hill and powered his team to a title. Dumars is worthy of being ranked in the top 50 but Richmond's subpar defense leaves him just a bit shy of the top 74. Lou Hudson was better than Richmond and so was Sidney Moncrief.

[ojandpizza]

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I’d be interested in your Lou Hudson scouting report..


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[cima]

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I’d be interested in your Lou Hudson scouting report..


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I need him to re-evaluate LeBron. He said him being fulltime PG would be "disastrous"

[ojandpizza]

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And yes I would agree Walton is more impactful than Hill, and most other guys on the list, I was just saying that Grant Hill was a better player than lots of guys on this list. If Walton makes the list with 2 great healthy years then Hill shouldn’t be penalized for his injuries either.


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[AlexBrady]

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I’d be interested in your Lou Hudson scouting report..


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Big strong guard who could function as a forward too. 6-6 and 225 pounds. Deadly pull up shooter going left or right. 20 foot shooting range. Could drive and finish strong both ways. Posted up smaller guards and shot turn around jumpers which were deadly. Armed with tricky ball and up fakes. Shot first but could make accurate passes when no clean look was available. Strong rebounder in a crowd. Average defender who might have had a harder time without the use of the hand-check. Would be a perennial all star playing nowadays just as he was back then.

[stlducks]

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Honestly, all this back and forth on discussing the top 10 is not needed. Steve Nash is the greatest basketball player of all time. End of discussion.

[Master Live 013]

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Ok, I had not glanced the list. Iverson #29

[aloncho11]

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Big strong guard who could function as a forward too. 6-6 and 225 pounds. Deadly pull up shooter going left or right. 20 foot shooting range. Could drive and finish strong both ways. Posted up smaller guards and shot turn around jumpers which were deadly. Armed with tricky ball and up fakes. Shot first but could make accurate passes when no clean look was available. Strong rebounder in a crowd. Average defender who might have had a harder time without the use of the hand-check. Would be a perennial all star playing nowadays just as he was back then.

Those Hawks had sweet ball movement:

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[ojandpizza]

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Beaty, Bellamy, or Mutombo? how do you rank those Hawks centers.

[AlexBrady]

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Beaty, Bellamy, or Mutombo? how do you rank those Hawks centers.

Beaty, Bellamy, or Mutombo? how do you rank those Hawks centers.

Bellamy was the most talented. 6-11 and 265 pounds with a feathery touch from 15 feet. Lots of power moves in the low post. Great offensive rebounder. Didn't pass or play much defense and was very soft. Underachieved. Mutombo is the best defender man to man and had amazing helping instincts and range. Equally great rebounder on offense and defense. Limited offense, put backs and some stiff armed hooks. Unreliable jumper. Terrible passer who could stall an offense. Beaty was a tad undersized at 6-9 and 250 pounds. Maybe the most physical center in history though. Brutal man to man defender but delivered hard fouls instead of blocks in his baseline help game. Very accurate shooter out to 18 feet and made good passes too so the middle was open for dive cutters. Had soft baby hooks in the low post. Monstrous rebounder on both ends, especially in a crowd. His fierce attitude makes him my personal favorite of these three.

[ojandpizza]

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Bellamy was the most talented. 6-11 and 265 pounds with a feathery touch from 15 feet. Lots of power moves in the low post. Great offensive rebounder. Didn't pass or play much defense and was very soft. Underachieved. Mutombo is the best defender man to man and had amazing helping instincts and range. Equally great rebounder on offense and defense. Limited offense, put backs and some stiff armed hooks. Unreliable jumper. Terrible passer who could stall an offense. Beaty was a tad undersized at 6-9 and 250 pounds. Maybe the most physical center in history though. Brutal man to man defender but delivered hard fouls instead of blocks in his baseline help game. Very accurate shooter out to 18 feet and made good passes too so the middle was open for dive cutters. Had soft baby hooks in the low post. Monstrous rebounder on both ends, especially in a crowd. His fierce attitude makes him my personal favorite of these three.

AB- I’ve seen your takes on Dick Barnett, Sam Jones, Bill Sharman.. but what about some of the other way back guys like Cliff Hagan, Richie Guerin, Dick McGuire.

Maybe even some guys like Maurice Stokes, Dolphin Schayes, Paul Arizin, Harry Gallatin.

If those aren’t too far back. Really hard to find nearly as much on those guys as you can Cousy, Sharman, Pettit, etc.. some of the more well known names.

I know you have said you believe Cousy wouldn’t translate well going forward, any of those guys in that boat as well?


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