ESPN Top 100 list

[Mikey3148]

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I know Steph is killing it this season, but I would still rather have LeBron and KD first and second. Right now that might sound silly, but I'm holding out until the playoffs are here to make my decision.


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Respectable. Both play much better defense and LBJ is still impossible to guard down in the post. Guys having one if his worst shooting year ever and is still getting 24/7/6 shooting 50%. And KD is virtually impossible to guard. Me personally I'd go Curry 1 but that's just me.

[Long442]

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All LeBron haters to me always make me laugh. The man can single-handedly lead maybe any one of the 30 current NBA teams to the Finals, but gets knocked for losing, and having a career 2-3 record in the Finals. I'll admit he had an awful performance in 2011 against Dallas, especially in crunch time, but let's look at the others:

2007: Leads the Cavs to the Finals against San Antonio and their Big 3 all in their prime at 23 years old in only his 5th year with not much to work with.

2012: Completely dominated a young Kevin Durant and OKC team averaging 28.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, and 7.4 apg, shooting 47%.

2013: Goes back-to-back as he averaged 25.3 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 7 apg, 2.3 blocks and a steal per game. And yes, you can say he got lucky with that Ray Allen 3, but he still lead them back from 10 down to get in that position. He also had 37 points (5/5 from 3) in Game 7, and the game sealing basket, hitting a deep, pull-up 2 with under 30 seconds left.

2014: Loses to San Antonio badly in 5 games, but still put up 28.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg, and 4 apg. If you watched this series then there's no denying his team didn't do much at all to help, as they got easily out-rebounded and had terrible bench play.

2015: One of the best Finals performances we'll ever see like it or not. Against one of the better teams we'll see ever because of how unique they were with their ball movement + 3 point skills, LBJ averaged 35.8 ppg, 13.3 rpg, and 8.8 apg. Yes, he had the ball in his hands for most of the shot clock, but still managed to win two games without Kyrie and Love. You can call it stat inflation, but you can't say anything about his leadership skills. How many guys could've even won 1 game (especially in Oracle Arena) with Delly, Shumpert/JR, Mozgov, and Thompson.

Obviously Michael Jordan is the best ever, but to say someone like Tim Duncan is better than LeBron ticks me off. LeBron never got to play for one of these HOF coaches and play in a good system. But this is all my opinion which doesn't really matter.

[Tekkonkinkreet]

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As the list is on current form doesn't it simply make it a mock MVP list? Pretty pointless if you ask me. Can you compare Westbrook with Dame anyway? How would they fair on the other's team? It's a team game so most of the time comparisons are bull. LBJ is a better SF than Curry, Curry is a better PG than LBJ.

[richard2001]

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As the list is on current form doesn't it simply make it a mock MVP list? Pretty pointless if you ask me. Can you compare Westbrook with Dame anyway? How would they fair on the other's team? It's a team game so most of the time comparisons are bull. LBJ is a better SF than Curry, Curry is a better PG than LBJ.

LeBron actually might be a better pg than Curry. His passing and court vision are insane, and people forget that. Look at his assist average, it's the same as Steph's.

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[dsallupinyaarea]

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Respectable. Both play much better defense and LBJ is still impossible to guard down in the post. Guys having one if his worst shooting year ever and is still getting 24/7/6 shooting 50%. And KD is virtually impossible to guard. Me personally I'd go Curry 1 but that's just me.

When are we gonna be honest with ourselves about Lebron's defense? Are we gonna do the Kobe thing where we wait 4 years after the fact to acknowledge it's not good anymore?

[Mikey3148]

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When are we gonna be honest with ourselves about Lebron's defense? Are we gonna do the Kobe thing where we wlait 4 years after the fact to acknowledge it's not good anymore?

True his defense did take a couple steps down this year but what do you expect? He's getting older and you can obviously tell by the way he's playing. Steph Curry's defense is a lot worst than LeBron's though and that was the point I was trying to make.

[ojandpizza]

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LeBron's defense is effort related. When he's playing Philly he's going to look like James Harden, when he's playing Durant he's going to look like Kawhi lol.. That goes with his game in general though, we won't see consistency from him until the post season.

That's been my biggest gripe on his career. I know other players "coast" at times in the season, but he just makes his so noticeable. A trait he picked up in Miami. In the long run he's only hurting himself as far as career numbers go. His effort pulls away from his averages, especially when he was in Miami.

It's like Jordan said, he was going to play hard and put on a show every night because someone in the stands might be seeing him for the first/only time. Bird is a similar type, Kobe a similar type. LeBron just isn't, you only get them from him for about half the season.

I guess it's technically smart if it really keeps him fresher for the playoffs, but it's not always an enjoyment to watch and does somewhat hinder his statistical output.


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[KG]

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I thought his rotations in the Finals last year were very poor and to me, that's effort related considering his Bball IQ

[lilteapot]

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Lebron only defends when he's going up against an elite offensive talent. For example, whenever he plays KD like the game in OKC a couple of weeks ago, he does all the right things and plays him perfectly. When he has a less skilled offensive matchup he tends to switch off, play off the shooter, and lets people go by him with little resistance.

It sucks because I really think if he tried to he could be in the DPOY running every year. He's got all the tools.

[Vni]

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The tools maybe but at 30 and with all the minutes he's already played he's right not to chase DPOY every seasons.

[lilteapot]

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The tools maybe but at 30 and with all the minutes he's already played he's right not to chase DPOY every seasons.

Right, but a little more effort (not that he doesnt put in effort) would translate to better overall team performance rather than just turning it up in the playoffs. I actually think it hurts a team for the best player to kind of coast and then turn up the volume in the post season. For teams that have played together for a long time like the Big 3 Heat, Spurs, or Warriors, it's fine, but taking it too easy I would assume doesn't go a very long way in building up good habits and a winning formula.

[RockinDaMike]

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As expected, no love for Kevin Johnson or Glen Rice.

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[ojandpizza]

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Rice, really?


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[AlexBrady]

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Dave DeBusschere is too low. He is top 30 or so for me. He was a powerful defender and rebounder with 25 foot shooting range. His rival was Gus Johnson, another all time defender, who I don't see listed. Shameful, Gus was easily top 50.

[ojandpizza]

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I can't see anyone in the top 30 that should be moved out for a guy back in 85th spot.


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