2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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It's almost like Doc knows Dre is going to blast him and enjoys reading when he does it so he's intentionally giving him fuel to continue clowning him.


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[The 24th Letter]

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Doc is intent on breaking up what should've been a good thing in LA.

If we're keeping it 100, they're not looking much different than OKC as far as "missed/blown opportunities".

That team was pretty much set up for it to get to the next level and he pretty much kept them at the same level or you could say they got "worse" even though it might not show in their record.

Who would you guys consider to be a good example of a team who properly managed their roster through the past couple of years? Is it strictly results oriented?

Like, I agree with you guys on Doc butchering LACs roster and pick management...but I still don't quite get the criticism of OKC, especially in comparison. The way I've heard it described here is like it was a complete massacre by Presti

I know Clevelands trades and decision to dive into the tax were mostly panned here as well. Do we look at that differently now that they've won? Just trying to understand you guys take on that.

[ojandpizza]

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I thought they had done a solid job up until CP3 got hurt in those playoffs.. The past couple months of that year they were the top rated offensive and defensive team, even above GS. That all crash and burned once CP3 went down and they haven't recovered since.

I won't bash him too much for trading pics and young pieces. That's basically what lots of contenders do to add those veteran pieces. Doc has struck out on a few of those pieces, and in hindsight it's easy to point the finger and say they were bad moves. But at the time he was making every move possible to find that missing piece without losing the ones he had.

Not trying to make a case that he's been a great GM, he's just tore down often for not really being as horrible as he's made out to be IMO.

West is competitive every year, I guess Doc struck out but I don't think that means he's sabotaged a good thing. He's finally moving on apparently to try a different approach. Blake has the most trade value, it makes sense.


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[AC]

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Probably already mentioned but Scola, Jack, Bennett, Vasquez all to BK so far. Brooklyn Raptors?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Who would you guys consider to be a good example of a team who properly managed their roster through the past couple of years? Is it strictly results oriented?

Like, I agree with you guys on Doc butchering LACs roster and pick management...but I still don't quite get the criticism of OKC, especially in comparison. The way I've heard it described here is like it was a complete massacre by Presti

I know Clevelands trades and decision to dive into the tax were mostly panned here as well. Do we look at that differently now that they've won? Just trying to understand you guys take on that.

When you say properly managed, you mean as far as who's built their roster up?

Your second point, I don't agree and never have agreed with folks about how Presti has "blown the roster" or that he's an "overrated GM'(Fans think all GMs are overrated, lol). But when you look at their situations and compare the two, they're not really far off one another.

Your 3rd point, of course people will look at it because they won. It's just like when we went out and spent all that money just to end up with a 2nd rd playoff appearance, we got ****ted on for it, even though from a personnel standpoint, I thought it helped us out.

[The 24th Letter]

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When you say properly managed, you mean as far as who's built their roster up?

Your second point, I don't agree and never have agreed with folks about how Presti has "blown the roster" or that he's an "overrated GM'(Fans think all GMs are overrated, lol). But when you look at their situations and compare the two, they're not really far off one another.

Your 3rd point, of course people will look at it because they won. It's just like when we went out and spent all that money just to end up with a 2nd rd playoff appearance, we got ****ted on for it, even though from a personnel standpoint, I thought it helped us out.

Well since your not in that camp it kind of renders the rest of my questions irrelevant.... thought you were...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I won't bash him too much for trading pics and young pieces. That's basically what lots of contenders do to add those veteran pieces. Doc has struck out on a few of those pieces, and in hindsight it's easy to point the finger and say they were bad moves. But at the time he was making every move possible to find that missing piece without losing the ones he had.

Not trying to make a case that he's been a great GM, he's just tore down often for not really being as horrible as he's made out to be IMO.

He has nothing to show for any of the deals he's made, that's why he's a horrible GM. I'm not sure why anybody(not you but moreso towards Ownership, which I realize wasn't the brightest)would even give him both roles.

He's no different than Billy King who gets killed universally by EVERYONE.

Let's be real, has this team really improved THAT much from the time he took over? Hell, do they look any different than when Vinny was there? Honest question

[23]

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Doc Rivers doesn't deserve to be defended one iota.

He weaseled his way into the GM office and has done nothing but shame it ever since.

..and i haven't begun to slander him yet. Not the way I really want to


That being said, if he does trade Blake I wouldn't be surprised to see him give up some picks and whoever it is that comes in to not work out at all.


The team looks better than under Vinny because they arent running the Thunder iso save me sets.

Blake and Paul get injured every year no matter what.

Im not even on the GM thing yet... he basically did a coop de etat when the team was in flux with no owner. I think the GM they had is in Portland now.

[23]

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We know whats really going on

[CMH]

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And JJ Reddick one of the first players to speak out on Silver's comments.

The players don't care about super teams. They care about money and freedom to make decisions.

I know Reddick is only one voice but these guys are working. They all want to win but winning isn't guaranteed and they aren't playing for free just to say, "I played in the NBA."

[bigeastbumrush]

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I'm not sure why Doc would do the proposed trade because their window is short with CP3 and it would make them worse for the upcoming season. I mean, it's not like they're going to beat Golden State, but I would they've moved up spot in the West since OKC lost Durant. It's not like Doc like rookies or draft picks, so why would he trade Blake now?

Here's the link from the Sporting News: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...g1v147g2d2t89z

As a Celtics fan one thing I do like is this:



I still want an extension from Blake though. I don't want to give up players like Crowder, Brown, etc. for one year of Blake.

Boston would be absolutely nuts to trade away that Nets unprotected 1st.

[redsrule]

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Boston would be absolutely nuts to trade away that Nets unprotected 1st.

Why? Blake Griffin and Russell Westbrook are superstars. You get all of these assets to make a trade like that.

[jeebs9]

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I agree with everything here but the words that follow "though"

Westbrook knows no bounds with stupid shots.

I know he gets a lot of flak. But Russell brings some much. He just needs a offensive system to shape his game.

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A change might be good for him.

[redsrule]

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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And JJ Reddick one of the first players to speak out on Silver's comments.

The players don't care about super teams. They care about money and freedom to make decisions.

I know Reddick is only one voice but these guys are working. They all want to win but winning isn't guaranteed and they aren't playing for free just to say, "I played in the NBA."

It's weird because they say they don't care about it, but then next thing you know they're calling up their boys to form a team somewhere else.

So he can say that all he wants but the actions say otherwise.