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  • 23
    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469
    #586
    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by Vni
    Brewer can shoot the 3, play some D, run the break. He's a fine player for D'antoni. Montejunas, big who can stretch the floor, p'n'fade, fits well. Beverley is 3, D and hustle, that works. Harden clearly would be the playmaker though so I don't know about that.
    You watch Brewer this year? He was worse and more inconsistent than ariza

    Beverly sucks. He just starts by default because they were too quick to trade other point guards. He has no specialty but annoyance because he doesnt stop anyone

    They dont have another playmaker on the team

    We'll see

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      • CMH
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        • Oct 2002
        • 26203
        #587
        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by z Revis
        It's not like he walked into the best situations with NY and LA. But he's not walking into a good one with Houston either so..

        I don't see why he couldn't still be successful with the right personnel though. His style of offense works well with the current NBA.
        I think his offensive genius is overrated. Maybe he's learned a couple things since but while he deserves some credit for what NBA teams run now, D'Antoni was not running the sets teams have advanced those basic ideals into.

        I'll need to watch the plays he ran in Phoenix since I'm sure that's the closest to what he will do in Houston, but I'm not a fan of coaches that don't know how to adjust to personnel.
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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          • jfsolo
            Live Action, please?
            • May 2003
            • 12965
            #588
            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by CMH
            I think his offensive genius is overrated. Maybe he's learned a couple things since but while he deserves some credit for what NBA teams run now, D'Antoni was not running the sets teams have advanced those basic ideals into.

            I'll need to watch the plays he ran in Phoenix since I'm sure that's the closest to what he will do in Houston, but I'm not a fan of coaches that don't know how to adjust to personnel.
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              • NYJets
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2002
                • 18637
                #589
                re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                He did well with the Suns, but he brings nothing to the table now. Everything good that he did has spread throughout the league. He's no longer ahead of the game on offense, and obviously he's terrible defensively.
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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469
                    #590
                    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by CMH
                    I think his offensive genius is overrated. Maybe he's learned a couple things since but while he deserves some credit for what NBA teams run now, D'Antoni was not running the sets teams have advanced those basic ideals into.

                    I'll need to watch the plays he ran in Phoenix since I'm sure that's the closest to what he will do in Houston, but I'm not a fan of coaches that don't know how to adjust to personnel.
                    staple pick, for layups and 3s...which Houston could've done but didn't....

                    Well, they still need a point guard but don't have one. PHX always had someone open with that offense man.

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                      • SteveQ
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2015
                        • 411
                        #591
                        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by CMH
                        Bleh. Having Harden be the playmaker will make the Rockets finish a 40 win team bounced in the playoffs every season.

                        Houston deserves the mess they're walking into.
                        The fans don't and I'm hoping that the rockets don't choose Mike lol

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                          • CMH
                            Making you famous
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 26203
                            #592
                            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by 23
                            staple pick, for layups and 3s...which Houston could've done but didn't....

                            Well, they still need a point guard but don't have one. PHX always had someone open with that offense man.
                            What concerns me is Phoenix did it when defenses and teams overall didn't know what they were looking at.

                            Even Curry and the Warriors aren't running a Phoenix pace and as amazing as Curry is, Nash's style was very different and probably more controlled for that system.

                            I get the feeling D'Antoni had the ideal point guard who also happened to be anyone's ideal point guard and his system took off. But who's out there now to help him do that that effectively?

                            Seriously, Linn would be the closest free agent fit in my opinion. And I say that even if you take away his obvious connection to D'Antoni. Not a lot of point guards in the league anymore that insist on driving to the basket and creating from inside the paint which Nash was amazing at.

                            With that said, who on the Rockets is going to truly spread the floor. This has been talked about by you a lot and you've been right: the Rockets want to run a spread offense and shoot threes but they ain't got three point shooters!

                            If the roster is mostly the same, does anyone think D'Antoni is going to give up his style of ball despite not having the personnel? And that's why his time in New York and Los Angeles is so important to me in evaluating this potential hire. History shows he is too stubborn to adjust.

                            Plus the fact it's Houston, a franchise that wants to run a specific type of D'Antoni-like offense, is worrisome because they are doubling down on insanity.
                            Last edited by CMH; 05-21-2016, 07:40 AM.
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                              • Themayorofawsometown
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2015
                                • 1101
                                #593
                                re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                If Harden goes back to his Okc days this might work but if Haren shows up no coach has any chance of making this team championship contenders

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                                  • CMH
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                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 26203
                                    #594
                                    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                    Originally posted by CMH
                                    What concerns me is Phoenix did it when defenses and teams overall didn't know what they were looking at.

                                    Even Curry and the Warriors aren't running a Phoenix pace and as amazing as Curry is, Nash's style was very different and probably more controlled for that system.
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                                    What the hell are you talking about? These two paragraphs contradict.

                                    I'm saying that phoenix had an advantage in the past because no one knew what they were seeing. But these principles are everywhere now so you can't rely on an old system from a coach insistent on running an old system.

                                    Teams today have blended the Phoenix pace with orchestrated half court basketball and it takes a superstar like Curry to run that well. There is no one on Houston with his playmaker ability (though granted there are few in the league, period).

                                    Any of the players you will find won't run it as deliberately and patiently as Nash did. 7 seconds or less felt like 20 seconds to him because he was so talented. But can you trust Harden to see the offense flow that quickly? (7 seconds or less is just an example. I realize D'Antoni isn't actually going to push that sort of pace).

                                    The point is, it's a system too simplistic for today's NBA and the complexities of it at the time were run by a Hall of fame point guard.
                                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                                      • ojandpizza
                                        Hall Of Fame
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 29807
                                        #595
                                        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                        Why is it assumed he has to play exactly the way Phoenix played lol..


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                                          • JazzMan
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                                            • Feb 2012
                                            • 13547
                                            #596
                                            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                            Why is it assumed he has to play exactly the way Phoenix played lol..


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                                              • King_B_Mack
                                                All Star
                                                • Jan 2009
                                                • 24450
                                                #597
                                                re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                                Why is it assumed he has to play exactly the way Phoenix played lol..


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                                                I'd say it's being said because the next two stops for D'Antoni since Phoenix he's tried to make his teams do exactly that personnel be damned. Old coaches generally don't change their stripes. Which is why goes hate retread hires so much. Maybe he's finally learned from his previous mistakes and will do things differently now or maybe he'll just do the same old thing.

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                                                  • ojandpizza
                                                    Hall Of Fame
                                                    • Apr 2011
                                                    • 29807
                                                    #598
                                                    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                                    I'd say it's being said because the next two stops for D'Antoni since Phoenix he's tried to make his teams do exactly that personnel be damned.

                                                    Did he really though? Or did it just get chalked up as that when he wasn't successful?

                                                    Sure he's always been comfortable coaching at a higher pace (likely what he was hired to do), but I don't recall Chris Duhon and Raymond Felton being forced into playing Steve Nash role.

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                                                      • CMH
                                                        Making you famous
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 26203
                                                        #599
                                                        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                                        Did he really though? Or did it just get chalked up as that when he wasn't successful?

                                                        Sure he's always been comfortable coaching at a higher pace (likely what he was hired to do), but I don't recall Chris Duhon and Raymond Felton being forced into playing Steve Nash role.
                                                        I do. It was disastrous.
                                                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                                                          • cima
                                                            Hall Of Fame
                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                            • 13478
                                                            #600
                                                            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                                            I'm sitting here wondering why David Blatt isn't get more looks and I hope it's not a perception that he will not stand up to superstars.


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