2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I'm sitting here wondering why David Blatt isn't get more looks and I hope it's not a perception that he will not stand up to superstars.


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Because teams have to hire McMillan and D'Antoni first. Gotta scoop up the retreads before the other dumb teams do it.

[zasbury25]

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Did he really though? Or did it just get chalked up as that when he wasn't successful?

Sure he's always been comfortable coaching at a higher pace (likely what he was hired to do), but I don't recall Chris Duhon and Raymond Felton being forced into playing Steve Nash role.

Knicks
08-09 - 32-50 - 2nd/30 pace
09-10 - 29-53 - 8th/30 pace
10-11 - 42-40 - 3rd/30 pace
11-12 - 36-30 - 5th/30 pace (fired mid-season 18-24)

Lakers
12-13 - 45-37 - 5th/30 pace (started game 11)
13-14 - 27-55 - 2nd/30 pace

Live by the pace...die by the pace.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Because teams have to hire McMillan and D'Antoni first. Gotta scoop up the retreads before the other dumb teams do it.

Blatt is/will be a retread, technically.

Unless I'm missing your point which I very well might be doing, lol.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Blatt never failed either, McMillan didn't really fail I guess either but that's probably a part of it.

[jfsolo]

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Blatt is/will be a retread, technically.

Unless I'm missing your point which I very well might be doing, lol.

In your first coaching job in the league you are shown the door after a year and a half, after a finals appearance and a current season where you had a 30-11 record definitely does not qualify you as a retread. In a reasonable universe, teams are fighting over each other to hire this guy.

Lebron's personality vs. Blatt's style was simply a ticking time bomb for Blatt and that outcome probably helped lessen his chances of getting some jobs where he could have thrived in, i.e., Minny and Orlando.

Not saying he would have been the favorite but I imagine that he would have been considered more strongly than he probably was.

[ojandpizza]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Knicks
08-09 - 32-50 - 2nd/30 pace
09-10 - 29-53 - 8th/30 pace
10-11 - 42-40 - 3rd/30 pace
11-12 - 36-30 - 5th/30 pace (fired mid-season 18-24)

Lakers
12-13 - 45-37 - 5th/30 pace (started game 11)
13-14 - 27-55 - 2nd/30 pace

Live by the pace...die by the pace.

Playing fast doesn't mean you have to turn Pat Beverly into Steve Nash though... Which was kinda the vibe or everyone's posts.

[King_B_Mack]

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Playing fast doesn't mean you have to turn Pat Beverly into Steve Nash though... Which was kinda the vibe or everyone's posts.

Well he did take Pau Gasol and put him out on the three point line and made him a glorified spot up shooter.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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In your first coaching job in the league you are shown the door after a year and a half, after a finals appearance and a current season where you had a 30-11 record definitely does not qualify you as a retread. In a reasonable universe, teams are fighting over each other to hire this guy.



Lebron's personality vs. Blatt's style was simply a ticking time bomb for Blatt and that outcome probably helped lessen his chances of getting some jobs where he could have thrived in, i.e., Minny and Orlando.



Not saying he would have been the favorite but I imagine that he would have been considered more strongly than he probably was.

Regardless of the reasons he was let go, if he were to get picked up to be another team's HC, he'd be the exact definition of a retread so I don't see how he wouldn't "qualify".

Being a retread does not mean you're bad. Hard to say if he would've been considered more than what he was(which none of us will ever know).

[jfsolo]

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Well he did take Pau Gasol and put him out on the three point line and made him a glorified spot up shooter.

I will always hate him for this.

Regardless of the reasons he was let go, if he were to get picked up to be another team's HC, he'd be the exact definition of a retread so I don't see how he wouldn't "qualify".

Being a retread does not mean you're bad. Hard to say if he would've been considered more than what he was(which none of us will ever know).

Maybe it's a matter of semantics and we just have to agree to disagree, but I don't think that most people would use retread for any coach who is getting only their second job after the first lasted less than two years.

[CMH]

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Blatt is/will be a retread, technically.

Unless I'm missing your point which I very well might be doing, lol.

We have a different definition. I never used the word retread until guys here did.

To me Blatt has had one job he did well and was fired for reasons outside of coaching. Like Thibs, those guys deserve another shot. Hornacek the same. D'Antoni when he was first hired by the Knicks. Vogel now. Maybe even Brooks though him getting paid like an elite coach is an absolute joke and Washington fans will want him out by 2018.

But now, D'Antoni has had enough chances and it's not working.

McMillan never took the Blazers anywhere but where they belonged. Wasn't he in Seattle too? That wasn't great either. He's a guy you hire to hold things off a bit. Keep it steady. Unless Houston is trying to tell Harden you got to wait a couple years for things to settle, I don't get the hire. He's not taking that team to the next level.

If anyone hired Mike Woodson, I'd laugh. There's a reason no one is talking about Monty Williams. He showed no potential as a head coach. Brian Shaw is done. Vaughn the same. Some guys have one job to get it done and do nothing with it. Other guys get a second one because we saw potential (D'Antoni, McMillan in Portland). But when that potential burns out and you're still doing the same nonsense and your players aren't responding, teams need to stop.

[TMagic]

2016 Offseason Thread

Well he did take Pau Gasol and put him out on the three point line and made him a glorified spot up shooter.

Holy s**t!!!

How did I forget that!?

Yea. Good luck Houston. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I will always hate him for this.









Maybe it's a matter of semantics and we just have to agree to disagree, but I don't think that most people would use retread for any coach who is getting only their second job after the first lasted less than two years.

Semantics has to be your reason because you originally mentioned stuff that still doesn't change the actual definition of the word, lol.

If he's not a retread, he damn sure isn't a first timer or someone fresh.

We have a different definition. I never used the word retread until guys here did.

To me Blatt has had one job he did well and was fired for reasons outside of coaching. Like Thibs, those guys deserve another shot. Hornacek the same. D'Antoni when he was first hired by the Knicks. Vogel now. Maybe even Brooks though him getting paid like an elite coach is an absolute joke and Washington fans will want him out by 2018.

But now, D'Antoni has had enough chances and it's not working.

McMillan never took the Blazers anywhere but where they belonged. Wasn't he in Seattle too? That wasn't great either. He's a guy you hire to hold things off a bit. Keep it steady. Unless Houston is trying to tell Harden you got to wait a couple years for things to settle, I don't get the hire. He's not taking that team to the next level.

If anyone hired Mike Woodson, I'd laugh. There's a reason no one is talking about Monty Williams. He showed no potential as a head coach. Brian Shaw is done. Vaughn the same. Some guys have one job to get it done and do nothing with it. Other guys get a second one because we saw potential (D'Antoni, McMillan in Portland). But when that potential burns out and you're still doing the same nonsense and your players aren't responding, teams need to stop.

Well, Monty probably isn't ready to get back into coaching considering what he went thru a few months back(and is probably still dealing with it)and has probably let people know that.

Personally, I think coaching should be the last thing on his mind right now.

As for Brooks, folks here have dealt with Wittman, Flip and Eddie Jordan over the last 5-6 years. So he'll get the time and fans already think he should, which he should get, regardless of what he's making(which I'm not sure why anyone would care about).

[CMH]

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Semantics has to be your reason because you originally mentioned stuff that still doesn't change the actual definition of the word, lol.

If he's not a retread, he damn sure isn't a first timer or someone fresh.



Well, Monty probably isn't ready to get back into coaching considering what he went thru a few months back(and is probably still dealing with it)and has probably let people know that.

Personally, I think coaching should be the last thing on his mind right now.

As for Brooks, folks here have dealt with Wittman, Flip and Eddie Jordan over the last 5-6 years. So he'll get the time and fans already think he should, which he should get, regardless of what he's making(which I'm not sure why anyone would care about).

Fair enough on Brooks. You're right, the money doesn't matter. His performance should judge him.

[King_B_Mack]

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The money SHOULD matter to you as a fan because the money affects management's decisions. If you're paying a coach Popovich money and it's a disaster from the jump and it's clear a move needs to be made, management is sitting there not making that move because they're worried about the money they'll have to eat over X amount of years and if they do make the move, the next coach they hire probably won't be the best coach on the market because they don't want to pay two coaches top dollar.

[Vni]

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Holy s**t!!!

How did I forget that!?

Yea. Good luck Houston. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

That actually makes some sense in a p'n'r heavy offense to have your center space the floor, what's worse is that he threw pau under the bus the minute he was hired. Bigggest knock off on D'antoni is that he doesn't teach defense he says it comes from the within (lol kk), he doesn't really adapt his style to his personal and he lacks psychology. Having him strictly as an offensive assistant would probably the best way to use him.