2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[ehh]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

^^ Just like with Lin a few years back. Everyone ****ting on the Knicks missing out on an overrated player just because they're the Knicks. Most of our fanbase didn't want Lin at that price and most didn't want Monroe at that price. Both situations worked out for the best.

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Monroe put up his usual strong numbers but Milwaukee starting losing and the blame went to him.

Some of that is his defense, the other is he's a burly big man that doesn't fit Milwaukee's young runners.

He became a sixth man for some of the season and is now unnecessary for the team.

[ProfessaPackMan]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Around this point last year, the Cavaliers were favored to win the 2016 title.

They quickly lost that status as the Warriors won an NBA-record 73 games then built a 3-1 lead in the Finals.

Now, after winning the championship, Cleveland still isn’t favored for one.

The Cavs, underdogs to Golden State for months, are still underdogs to Golden State for the 2017 title.

Here are the full odds, via Bovada:

Golden State Warriors 2/1
Cleveland Cavaliers 9/4
San Antonio Spurs 15/2
Oklahoma City Thunder 17/2
Los Angeles Clippers 20/1
Boston Celtics 25/1
Toronto Raptors 25/1
Chicago Bulls 33/1
Miami Heat 33/1
Atlanta Hawks 50/1
Houston Rockets 50/1
Dallas Mavericks 66/1
New Orleans Pelicans 66/1
Charlotte Hornets 75/1
Detroit Pistons 75/1
Indiana Pacers 75/1
Memphis Grizzlies 75/1
Minnesota Timberwolves 75/1
New York Knicks 75/1
Portland Trailblazers 75/1
Washington Wizards 75/1
Denver Nuggets 100/1
Los Angeles Lakers 100/1
Milwaukee Bucks 100/1
Sacramento Kings 100/1
Utah Jazz 100/1
Orlando Magic 125/1
Philadelphia 76ers 150/1
Phoenix Suns 150/1
Brooklyn Nets 250/1
At this time in 2014, the Heat were favored to win the 2015 title. They didn’t even make the playoffs. Of course, LeBron James leaving in free agency had something to do with that.

The big question this year: Where will Kevin Durant sign? If you have an early read on that, put money down on his destination. The Thunder, Warriors and Spurs are big overlays if they get Durant.

But with Durant’s future unknown, it’s tougher to pick. Still, I might roll the dice on Oklahoma City 17/2 and hope Durant returns for at least one more year.

Our odds are 250/1 to win it all next year???

[SPTO]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

This probably is more of a draft thing than an offseason thing but it's been reported that the Raptors are no longer expected to trade their #9 pick.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

You have got to be kidding me.

If this is real then man...how bad was last year's FA because he was considered a catch after he chose MIL over the Knicks.

What kind of year did he have to dump him after one?

A few factors involved:

1. Casual fans that say Detroit sucked with him and Milwaukee sucked with him, and he's the common denominator.

2. The fact that the Bucks went from 41-41 to 33-49 after adding him (though people forget that post All-Star break last year, the Bucks played at a 31 win pace).

3. The defense went from among the best in the league to probably the worst in the league (this is a legitimate beef, but it's worth noting that a part of this was also the drop off defensively from Ersan Ilyasova/Jared Dudley, who are great at help defense but bad at defending their man, to Jabari, who's border-line okay defending his man but is horrific in close-outs and help.

4. While Monroe is very productive offensively, since Milwaukee was losing, Bucks fans basically wanted every possession to end in a Giannis, Jabari, or Middleton shot, so any shot Monroe took was "stunting the important players' developments".

In reality, Monroe was as good as people thought he was. He gave Milwaukee 19 and 11 per 36, along with 1 steal and 1 block, scored efficiently, and was a good passer. Looking at some of the analytics, his on/off court split was 2nd best on the team at +4/100 possessions, and the Bucks starting lineup, with him in it, was quietly one of the better 5 man lineups in the NBA last year. His PER, BPM, VORP, etc. all place him somewhere around the top 5-10 C/PF's in the league. What killed them, much like it did after the All-Star break last year, is that the bench is consistently demolished every game. While the starters generally outscored their opposition, they couldn't do it at a rate that outweighed how horrific the Bucks bench was.

As one of the other posters said, his half-court post-ups aren't a great fit for a team with Giannis and Jabari on it, but he's still a good, young player, and after this offseason, paying $17 million for him won't look bad. I'd be pretty shocked if Milwaukee trades him for less than a mid-1st round pick, maybe with another decent piece attached too. If a team believes their defensive system is good enough to handle him, or if they simply play a system that doesn't require their center to run around like a chicken with its head cut off like Milwaukee does, I could see the Bucks getting something like the #16 pick + Kelly Olynyk or Amir Johnson for him (not saying Boston would be interested, just saying that's around what I think Monroe's value is).

TLDR: Any decline that the Bucks suffered this year (which really began after the All-Star break last season) probably had very little, if anything, to do with Monroe. He was one of the Bucks top 2 or 3 players this year, and his contract won't look bad after guys like Bismack Biyombo and Dion Waiters are being paid around $15 million. He's just a poor fit in the Bucks' defensive system and his post-ups don't mesh well with Jabari and Giannis.

[Majingir]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

This probably is more of a draft thing than an offseason thing but it's been reported that the Raptors are no longer expected to trade their #9 pick.

Wonder if that could partially be to raise price of the pick should anyone want to make an offer.

But if they do keep the pick, hopefully the player ends up being good. So many F options out there at this pick, having a top 10 pick being put on a team that won't be struggling, he could develop nicely.

[bigeastbumrush]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

A few factors involved:

1. Casual fans that say Detroit sucked with him and Milwaukee sucked with him, and he's the common denominator.

2. The fact that the Bucks went from 41-41 to 33-49 after adding him (though people forget that post All-Star break last year, the Bucks played at a 31 win pace).

3. The defense went from among the best in the league to probably the worst in the league (this is a legitimate beef, but it's worth noting that a part of this was also the drop off defensively from Ersan Ilyasova/Jared Dudley, who are great at help defense but bad at defending their man, to Jabari, who's border-line okay defending his man but is horrific in close-outs and help.

4. While Monroe is very productive offensively, since Milwaukee was losing, Bucks fans basically wanted every possession to end in a Giannis, Jabari, or Middleton shot, so any shot Monroe took was "stunting the important players' developments".

In reality, Monroe was as good as people thought he was. He gave Milwaukee 19 and 11 per 36, along with 1 steal and 1 block, scored efficiently, and was a good passer. Looking at some of the analytics, his on/off court split was 2nd best on the team at +4/100 possessions, and the Bucks starting lineup, with him in it, was quietly one of the better 5 man lineups in the NBA last year. His PER, BPM, VORP, etc. all place him somewhere around the top 5-10 C/PF's in the league. What killed them, much like it did after the All-Star break last year, is that the bench is consistently demolished every game. While the starters generally outscored their opposition, they couldn't do it at a rate that outweighed how horrific the Bucks bench was.

As one of the other posters said, his half-court post-ups aren't a great fit for a team with Giannis and Jabari on it, but he's still a good, young player, and after this offseason, paying $17 million for him won't look bad. I'd be pretty shocked if Milwaukee trades him for less than a mid-1st round pick, maybe with another decent piece attached too. If a team believes their defensive system is good enough to handle him, or if they simply play a system that doesn't require their center to run around like a chicken with its head cut off like Milwaukee does, I could see the Bucks getting something like the #16 pick + Kelly Olynyk or Amir Johnson for him (not saying Boston would be interested, just saying that's around what I think Monroe's value is).

TLDR: Any decline that the Bucks suffered this year (which really began after the All-Star break last season) probably had very little, if anything, to do with Monroe. He was one of the Bucks top 2 or 3 players this year, and his contract won't look bad after guys like Bismack Biyombo and Dion Waiters are being paid around $15 million. He's just a poor fit in the Bucks' defensive system and his post-ups don't mesh well with Jabari and Giannis.

MIL needs to hire you for their Analytics department.

Never seen such a thorough breakdown on OS before.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

MIL needs to hire you for their Analytics department.



Never seen such a thorough breakdown on OS before.

Haha thanks! That kinda thing would be a dream come true but I'm sure the Bucks can do better. They just hired the head of Nylon Calculus to give them more of an analytics perspective.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Themayorofawsometown]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

).

Dion Waiters being paid around $15 million. .

Sent from my N9130 using Tapatalk

[King_B_Mack]

2016 Offseason Thread

MIL needs to hire you for their Analytics department.



Never seen such a thorough breakdown on OS before.

You've never read an OJ paragraphs post then. My man missed his calling if he's not working in sports somewhere


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Vni]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I read some Dirk at GS rumours. Seem unlikely that Dirk would leave Dallas though.

[23]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

He should give it a shot though but he wont.

[Jeffx]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Saw this in the NY Daily News about Durant. If he goes to the Warriors, damn......

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/kevin-durant-signing-warriors-not-knicks-sense-article-1.2681109

[jb12780]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Saw this in the NY Daily News about Durant. If he goes to the Warriors, damn......

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.2681109

Daily News is up there with Broussard in regards to credibility.

[23]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

As a sports writer myself

But Durant also realizes that the online sports book Bovada has already installed the Warriors as a 2-to-1 favorite to win the NBA Championship.

And that’s before they even get a chance to sign him.

That right there is LOLOLOL!!!