The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[The 24th Letter]

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So when there's mountains of excuses made for LeBron no problem.

Someone is apparently making excuses for Steph, big problem. Funny how that works.


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I think your comment sums it up.

Brons 'excuses' have already been labeled as mountains

but Steph is 'apparantly'...nah nobody's doing that, can't be true, lol

Just the way it's looked at is funny..I can see why some feel the way they feel.

Stupid people going to say stupid things though (not talking about you) I laugh at it but I don't even take it seriously...especially from networks like ESPN..

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Am I crazy to think Cleveland's usage of Kevin Love is a bigger issue than his ability? Let some tell it and that man is a straight up scrub.

Not at all, especially since most folks called this when he was traded there, especially Bosh.

[The 24th Letter]

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Am I crazy to think Cleveland's usage of Kevin Love is a bigger issue than his ability? Let some tell it and that man is a straight up scrub.

I think it's a bit of both....

Usage and ability (don't think he's a scrub at all and honestly hate the criticism he's getting)

I think it's the matchup too.

Jeffersons movement/slashing opened up a lot for the Cavs offense...which is similar to what OKC did. I don't know if you can ask Love to do that.

How would you use Love against GSW? That's actually a quesiton for anyone to answer...

[cjonesfan921]

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Weird playoffs with these blowouts.

As it stands now, I still lean, however difficult it may be, with the team that has LBJ. They must win tomorrow, though. I think GSW comes out energized tom night based on Kerr ripping the team.

[Caveman24]

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I think it's a bit of both....

Usage and ability (don't think he's a scrub at all and honestly hate the criticism he's getting)

I think it's the matchup too.

Jeffersons movement/slashing opened up a lot for the Cavs offense...which is similar to what OKC did. I don't know if you can ask Love to do that.

How would you use Love against GSW? That's actually a quesiton for anyone to answer...

They been using Love fine IMO. The issue is once he or Kyrie touch the ball they hold it for 7-9 seconds. Cavs kept the ball moving and didn't allow GSW defense to get set much.

[cima]

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GS may have a dilemma. I think the obvious answer everyone has for them and what people are expecting is for them to go small and start Iggy. But will that really work? They got killed on the boards last night, getting out-rebounded by 20.

[23]

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Rebounding is nothing we haven't seen them tested with when OKC attacked them there, and they did it much better than Cleveland ever could.


24, We all know Iggy was the real finals MVP. Errbody waiting on steph to perform like its the regular season when he didn't even do it the first time.

shrugs

[cima]

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I don't think the location makes it a dirty play, but I do understand Thompson's distaste. It's a very unusual time to expect a screen, particularly when the screener isn't at all set and is basically meeting you in the middle.

It looks like Mozgov was intending to go set a screen above the 3-point line but Irving's quick move made him change his plans and he just set a grazing downfield block on Thompson instead.

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I've played ball against a dude a time or two—the worst smelling person I've ever come across—and he set mid-paint screens and it sucked. He'd run up from the block and meet me in the middle of the paint while I was scrambling to corral a driving opponent. No way he was ever set; was literally what I imagine it's like to get hit by an open field block on a punt return.

I get what you're saying, I just don't think it was dirty. Mozgov is just slow, lol. But you can set a screen anywhere on the floor other than out of bounds, so nothing illegal about the location.

Also, there's so much irony in Klay Thompson complaining about a screen...

[cima]

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Rebounding is nothing we haven't seen them tested with when OKC attacked them there, and they did it much better than Cleveland ever could.


24, We all know Iggy was the real finals MVP. Errbody waiting on steph to perform like its the regular season when he didn't even do it the first time.

shrugs

They countered the rebounding by going big though in Games 5 and 6, Bogut played extensive minutes. Bogut is not a good matchup with Cleveland though, hence why he got benched last year.

[ojandpizza]

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Am I crazy to think Cleveland's usage of Kevin Love is a bigger issue than his ability? Let some tell it and that man is a straight up scrub.

For this series in particular he's just at a bad matchup..

As far as how he's played in Cleveland his numbers were obviously going to take a dip, I give him lots of credit for not deciding to stop rebounding when he isn't getting as many many shots as he's wanted (looking at Bosh)..

But overall how he's used I think it's more a Kyrie issue than Love. Love is used to the ball handler getting him the ball on those P-n-R plays and Kyrie just dribbles.. I don't think Love has the offensive awareness to freelance for himself and get to openings.. It's not a matter of him being just a spot up shooter because they run lots of post opportunities for him too, and his rate of converting them is pretty poor. Especially in the playoffs

I don't think him losing all the weight had helped him much. He used to be so strong inside that he could get those looks closer to the rim, and his touch is so a soft.. Now he takes a lot more turnarounds and jump hooks, and frankly he's just not good at them. His whole tenure in Cleveland he's looked confused on whether he should score when he gets it inside or kick out, meanwhile everyone else is standing wondering why he hasn't scored yet.

I think most of that is just time. You can't throw 15 guys together and expect them to understand each others tendencies, that take years.. The only help for something like that would be coaches making those decisions for them, "this is what you need to do" etc.

[BleacherBum2310]

The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

the death lineup was a -6 but it was 5-7 for 11 points the turnovers what made a minus but the key is it only played 6 minutes.
I was surprised it didn't start the 2nd half off. They should start it game four. rebounding will be an issue but they survived OKC rebounding I think they will be okay.

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[Caveman24]

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We don't need to do a knee jerk reaction after every game. Cleveland wanted it more last night period. Cavs played game 3 like it was a game 7 and they earned the victory. GSW don't need to mess with lineups etc, eventually Steph or Klay will get it going.

[jeebs9]

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I think it's a bit of both....

Usage and ability (don't think he's a scrub at all and honestly hate the criticism he's getting)

I think it's the matchup too.

Jeffersons movement/slashing opened up a lot for the Cavs offense...which is similar to what OKC did. I don't know if you can ask Love to do that.

How would you use Love against GSW? That's actually a quesiton for anyone to answer...

I just watch the first half again.
First half
http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/vid...Dm4qege5bi6RI7
Second Half
http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/vid...Bxw4tcSgai6SUW

RJ does put a lot of pressure on them in the break. And they really respected him from outside. The Warriors weren't playing that shell defense they played in the first 2 games. After Jefferson's first 3. They could leave him like they were vs Love. That's when they called the first timeout. They started rotating off the big men instead of the 4 man (Love/RJ). That's when TT started finding gaps when his man left to help on the drive. There is a few times that RJ is wide open.

I think they have to start RJ again. Even on defense he counters their small ball line up.

[cima]

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We don't need to do a knee jerk reaction after every game. Cleveland wanted it more last night period. Cavs played game 3 like it was a game 7 and they earned the victory. GSW don't need to mess with lineups etc, eventually Steph or Klay will get it going.

Good thing you're not a coach with that mentality. Bogut was a huge liability last night and him being in the lineup derailed their momentum they had heading into the 3rd.

[Caveman24]

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Good thing you're not a coach with that mentality. Bogut was a huge liability last night and him being in the lineup derailed their momentum they had heading into the 3rd.

The same Bogut that looked like 2009 Dwight GM2 correct?