The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

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  • BleacherBum2310
    All Star
    • Aug 2010
    • 7107

    #1906
    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

    v good article on what the Cavs did defensively : http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/9...valiers-game-3
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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #1907
      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

      Originally posted by cima
      http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/...sort=MIN&dir=1

      The Cavs 2 most used lineups thus far have been:

      #1: Irving/Smith/LeBron/Love/Thompson
      2 games, 32 minutes. -8.9 net rating

      #2: Irving/Smith/Jefferson/LeBron/Thompson
      2 games, 22 minutes. +40.9

      Irving/Smith/Jefferson/LeBron/Love has a -16.1 net rating

      Irving/Smith/Shumpert/Jefferson/LeBron has a -58.9 net rating

      And the worst lineup of all that has spent 6 minutes together:
      Delly/Shump/Jefferson/LeBron/Frye has a -74.2 net rating. This is the same lineup that killed other 2nd units in the playoffs.

      Depending how much you weigh into these kind of numbers, which you don't have to because you can just use your eyes too, the starting lineup they went with last night is clearly their best option as of right now.
      Nah, I put stock into that as well. Kinda goes hand/hand with my last post.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • cima
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2004
        • 13478

        #1908
        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        Nah, I put stock into that as well. Kinda goes hand/hand with my last post.
        Well I wasn't sure what your stance was but there's plenty around who like to **** on metrics and advanced stats but I find lineup advanced numbers very telling.

        On that note, Warriors death lineup (12 minutes together) is net +14.3, their starting lineup (25 minutes together) is net -33 and their most effective lineup (11 minutes together) has been Livingston/Barbosa/Iggy/Barnes/Green at net +74.8
        Last edited by cima; 06-09-2016, 02:51 PM.

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #1909
          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

          In my opinion Love needs to come off the bench for Cleveland to try and replicate that hot start.

          Lue can find various lineups to work him in and out of throughout the course of the game, he can be the scoring focal point any time LeBron or Kyrie sits.

          He moves the ball well, rebounds well, has hedged on to the shooters well. So theoretically he should be able to fit into any lineup.


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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #1910
            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

            Originally posted by cima
            Well I wasn't sure what your stance was but there's plenty around who like to **** on metrics and advanced stats but I find lineup advanced numbers very telling.
            I'm one of the few that puts more stock into advanced metrics than basic stats like PPG, 3PT%, APG, etc. Of course, context is important as well.

            Just wish they would let us match lineups with opposing lineups as well instead of just comparing lineups used only by them(or any team).
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • cima
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2004
              • 13478

              #1911
              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              I'm one of the few that puts more stock into advanced metrics than basic stats like PPG, 3PT%, APG, etc. Of course, context is important as well.



              Just wish they would let us match lineups with opposing lineups as well instead of just comparing lineups used only by them(or any team).


              Well IIRC, the majority of the minutes from the Cavs starting lineup with Jefferson came against primarily the starting lineup and the death lineup


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              • ProfessaPackMan
                Bamma
                • Mar 2008
                • 63852

                #1912
                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                In my opinion Love needs to come off the bench for Cleveland to try and replicate that hot start.

                Lue can find various lineups to work him in and out of throughout the course of the game, he can be the scoring focal point any time LeBron or Kyrie sits.

                He moves the ball well, rebounds well, has hedged on to the shooters well. So theoretically he should be able to fit into any lineup.


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                Mmmmmm, don't know about that.
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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #1913
                  Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                  Bogut wasn't the sole reason GSW was down 2-1 last year before Kerr discovered his lineup of death...it's not about saying Love is a bad player so sit him, just like it wasn't about Bogut then..I don't even think it's about Richard Jefferson....dude is a 35 year old SF at the end of the day...

                  buy I really like Bron at the 4, the hands/speed on defense and the idea of Love in that second unit....guess we'll see what Lue does...but I don't think thre decision is a no brainer....regardless of what Love makes

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #1914
                    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                    Originally posted by cima
                    Well IIRC, the majority of the minutes from the Cavs starting lineup with Jefferson came against primarily the starting lineup and the death lineup


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                    It didn't specify in the link you provided, but that's neither here nor there.
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                    • PabloLFC
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2015
                      • 638

                      #1915
                      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                      Love could be the highest paid player in the world, if he is detrimental to the team then he should come off the bench. Being 2-1 down in the Finals is no time for big names and egos, effectiveness is what counts and the lineup in Game 3 was much more effective. Love and Jefferson will earn as much regardless.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #1916
                        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                        I personally don't think Love is a detriment, I just think him coming off the bench opens up some opportunities...

                        I'm sure we'll hear much about how 'Michael Jefferson Jordan' couldn't save the Cavs of they lose though...

                        All I ask is for ONE close game this series...lol

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                        • Vni
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 14833

                          #1917
                          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                          I personally don't think Love is a detriment, I just think him coming off the bench opens up some opportunities...

                          I'm sure we'll hear much about how 'Michael Jefferson Jordan' couldn't save the Cavs of they lose though...

                          All I ask is for ONE close game this series...lol
                          A good game from Curry woudn't hurt too. He's looked uninspired, disengaged and ordinary.

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                          • PabloLFC
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2015
                            • 638

                            #1918
                            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                            Nah give me 3 more games of the Cavs winning by 30 so I can die happy.

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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24450

                              #1919
                              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              I personally don't think Love is a detriment, I just think him coming off the bench opens up some opportunities...

                              I'm sure we'll hear much about how 'Michael Jefferson Jordan' couldn't save the Cavs of they lose though...

                              All I ask is for ONE close game this series...lol


                              Probably will be overshadowed by all the talk of LeBron being saddled with trash again isn't fair to his Finals record.


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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #1920
                                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                                Bron needs more help
                                Steph needs more health

                                We'll get some steamin' hot takes either way...

                                I prefer some good ol' basketball talk like we had above though..

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