The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[cima]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

Yeah but Kyrie had an offensive explosion while the Warriors guards looked like they were sleep walking so now it's only about Love... revisionist history.

And cima, do you really think we believe OS is the only place suggesting Love should come off the bench after they won a game without him?

It's not revisionist history, Kyrie stepped up and played much better offense AND defense in Game 3 than he did the first two games. He was scoring and distributing on one end and not getting killed on defense on the other end. But call it what you want.

And no I don't, I never suggested that in the first place. You sure accuse me a lot of interpreting my own meanings when you're doing the same damn thing, lol.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

I got Big Smokey going for 40 on 8 3's and Steph with a quiet 20 and GS to win by 15.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

One of those lightskin brothers will hit one 3pt shot tonight.

You heard it hear first, folks.

[ojandpizza]

The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2



Pretty telling of how these playoffs have been in general. I can't recall the last time I've watched this many teams be so up and down at home vs away.


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[ojandpizza]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

One of those lightskin brothers will hit one 3pt shot tonight.

You heard it hear first, folks.

Kevin Love!

[wwharton]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

This is getting picky, but that's LITERALLY what you said in your post (about others saying it).

But I'm the one changing things that were said even though I said exactly what YOU said in your post? Okay.




Who said it was a video game? You're a smart guy yet I'm failing to see why you're not acknowledging that Love is a bad matchup for the GS Warriors. Or are you just arguing against my specific reasoning for benching Love?



Matchups is my only response to this. Love is not a good matchup for The Warriors' death lineup. Nothing you can say about Love's success against 28 other teams is going to change that fact.

The "same result" is the Warriors winning in 6 (said specifically bc that was my prediction after commenting that last year's lineup did as well as it did bc of the slower pace and more attention to detail, and that the Cavs shouldn't try to run with GS). So it's not the same thing as saying they won't make a difference... unless you're looking on a VERY high level. As in, "I think GS wins in 6" so basically adding Love and Kyrie won't make a difference bc the Cavs lose anyway.

Otherwise (also said in that original post), the Cavs have a completely different game plan that will sway the way the games are played making it harder for them to stop the Warriors while also making it harder for the Warriors to stop the Cavs.

You keep talking about Love being a bad match up but in the 1st 2 games, Kyrie was a bad match up... what happened? Kyrie was 100 times more loss than Love was on defense. And if the Cavs actually used Love like a pf instead of having him float around the 3point line so much, he could cause more issues on offense for the Warriors.

The problem with your analysis is that we've literally never seen Love out there after the increased effort, adjustments and general home cooking that everyone else on the Cavs got to utilize. It's a huge assumption to say Love wouldn't have had a great game too. You can't just look at the final score, see that Love was out, say he was the problem, then start thinking of a bunch of ways to prove it. I agree they should manage rotations to maximize defensive effort, but while also giving their stars time to perform offensively... Love is one of their stars. I personally think his minutes will be limited bc he's not 100% but that's not what you're arguing. I also think that no matter what happens tonight, everyone on the Cavs (not named James) getting all this praise now will look VERY differently in Oracle.

[cima]

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The "same result" is the Warriors winning in 6 (said specifically bc that was my prediction after commenting that last year's lineup did as well as it did bc of the slower pace and more attention to detail, and that the Cavs shouldn't try to run with GS). So it's not the same thing as saying they won't make a difference... unless you're looking on a VERY high level. As in, "I think GS wins in 6" so basically adding Love and Kyrie won't make a difference bc the Cavs lose anyway.

Otherwise (also said in that original post), the Cavs have a completely different game plan that will sway the way the games are played making it harder for them to stop the Warriors while also making it harder for the Warriors to stop the Cavs.

You keep talking about Love being a bad match up but in the 1st 2 games, Kyrie was a bad match up... what happened? Kyrie was 100 times more loss than Love was on defense. And if the Cavs actually used Love like a pf instead of having him float around the 3point line so much, he could cause more issues on offense for the Warriors.

The problem with your analysis is that we've literally never seen Love out there after the increased effort, adjustments and general home cooking that everyone else on the Cavs got to utilize. It's a huge assumption to say Love wouldn't have had a great game too. You can't just look at the final score, see that Love was out, say he was the problem, then start thinking of a bunch of ways to prove it. I agree they should manage rotations to maximize defensive effort, but while also giving their stars time to perform offensively... Love is one of their stars. I personally think his minutes will be limited bc he's not 100% but that's not what you're arguing. I also think that no matter what happens tonight, everyone on the Cavs (not named James) getting all this praise now will look VERY differently in Oracle.

But are you suggesting they start Love? You have to scope all of the problems, and one of the problems has been bench scoring. I guess this is where we disagree but I say stick with the starting lineup that's more athletic because knowing Kerr, he's probably gonna go to his death lineup sooner rather than later and then I'd try to improve my bench productivity by inserting the guy who was out last game. That's a solid gameplan IMO. But I digress, I just want to see what actually happens.

[23]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

One of those lightskin brothers will hit one 3pt shot tonight.

You heard it hear first, folks.

Starting to love your predictions Pack. You took too long to start doing this lol

[Cavsfan4life]

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Hope Lue is ready, he is either going to be a genius or idiot after tonight's game lol.

[TheShizNo1]

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Is there a consensus on what Lue has done, yet?

Is there anything he can do for his name to not be synonymous with, The Step-Over?

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[PabloLFC]

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Kevin Love!

Kevin Love isn't so much light skin as he is a milk bottle with legs.

I'm expecting an explosion from one of the splash brothers but even then, with how bad they've been on the road these playoffs I'm not even sure that's gonna be enough. I expect us to win, it's the manner how we win (if we do) that determines a lot going into game 5.

[cima]

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Is there a consensus on what Lue has done, yet?

Is there anything he can do for his name to not be synonymous with, The Step-Over?

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As of right now, his nickname is cLueless. He redeemed himself a little after Game 3 but he could go right back to that moniker with a bad L tonight.

[Cavsfan4life]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

Is there a consensus on what Lue has done, yet?

Is there anything he can do for his name to not be synonymous with, The Step-Over?

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If we lose, spell it Luese lol

[wwharton]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

But are you suggesting they start Love? You have to scope all of the problems, and one of the problems has been bench scoring. I guess this is where we disagree but I say stick with the starting lineup that's more athletic because knowing Kerr, he's probably gonna go to his death lineup sooner rather than later and then I'd try to improve my bench productivity by inserting the guy who was out last game. That's a solid gameplan IMO. But I digress, I just want to see what actually happens.

If we were to assume Love was 100% without question, I would start him. I would then implement rotations that had him and James off the floor and the offense running through Kyrie; with James at the 4 and Love at the 5 if Bogut is off the floor; if ever necessary to have James and Kyrie off at the same time, have Love/Delly/Smith/RJ/TT and run the offense through Love in the post with looks for kicks to Smith, but plenty of D around him.

In short, he'd get plenty of minutes with gameplans and lineups that benefit his strengths and protect his weaknesses.

The reality is I don't think he's 100% and don't think they should assume he is even if he says so. So I think his minutes should be limited... which means I think he should come off the bench as more of a boost to RJ's rhythm. I think that's what will happen, and I also think after tonight we'll see that they really need Love to be a major contributor in Game 5.

[cima]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

The reality is I don't think he's 100% and don't think they should assume he is even if he says so. So I think his minutes should be limited... which means I think he should come off the bench as more of a boost to RJ's rhythm. I think that's what will happen, and I also think after tonight we'll see that they really need Love to be a major contributor in Game 5.

So after all of that, you actually agree with me on the bottom line? Lol, smh.