2017 Offseason Thread

[z Revis]

2017 Offseason Thread

No reason to give any pick that could potentially be top 5 or Tatum/brown for one year of a guy. Pacers acting like PG has a great contract situation.

No reason for us to accept anything other than a lottery pick or young prospects though which is my point. So it's either that or no deal.


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[CMH]

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Y'all take these for what they're worth if you do/don't trust Zach Lowe:




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I like Lowe because he never says this is going to happen. He makes it a point that it's speculation and what he thinks will happen.

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[ricky24]

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No reason for us to accept anything other than a lottery pick or young prospects though which is my point. So it's either that or no deal.


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There will be no deal then. PG will walk and they won't get anything. Danny isn't just gonna get fleeced because teams are unreasonable with their offers just because they see everything he's got.

[areobee401]

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Ainge is gonna have to do better than Smart, Crowder and some other 1st round pick besides the LAL and BKN ones. Those aren't valuable to Indy. Crowder doesn't fit our timeline(assuming we rebuild anyway) at 27 years old and what other 1st round pick do they have to give up? Their own? LAC's which is lottery protected and they just lost CP3 so pretty much worthless now.. Those aren't any good lol. And Smart is super meh.

Pritchard may be asking too much, but he has to get SOMETHING of value. It's like Ainge wants to be a contender and be a rebuilding team at the same time. He's already got Tatum and Brown, 2 other likely high lottery picks yet he's trying to add Hayward and PG while keeping all of his assets? Something has to give there.


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Nothing has to give here on our end. Ainge is not responsible for bailing Pritchard out because he stuck his head in the sand over George wanting to leave Indiana. By all means hang on to George if you feel a package consisting of a Bradley, Smart, Crowde, Rozier, 2018 Celtics, 2019 Grizzles, 2019 Clippers combo will not cut it.

You guys need to move George more than we need to move pieces for George. We are in good shape either way.

[areobee401]

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Jrue Holiday expected to sign 5-yr extension with New Orleans, per RealGM.

[NYJets]

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There will be no deal then. PG will walk and they won't get anything. Danny isn't just gonna get fleeced because teams are unreasonable with their offers just because they see everything he's got.

How is it unreasonable to expect one good asset in a trade? Cavs are offering Kevin Love for him. The talk about what the Lakers and maybe Rockets would give up is better than the Celtics offer.

If the Celtics position is that they'll take a gamble on him if they are able to get him without giving up anything of real value, than that's a reasonable position to take. But they aren't being held to any higher standard here just because they have a lot of assets.

[z Revis]

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There will be no deal then. PG will walk and they won't get anything. Danny isn't just gonna get fleeced because teams are unreasonable with their offers just because they see everything he's got.

Not getting anything isn't really any different than getting a few players that aren't useful to us lol. I'd just go back to Cleveland and take Love off their hands and flip him somewhere for something useful.

I hear you though, I'm mostly talking from a Pacer pov. If Danny isn't gonna give anything up then there's no point in continuing talks and continuing to hear how he wants PG and Hayward.


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[Fresh Tendrils]

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Wizards are apparently prepared to make an aggressive offer for Porter.

[ricky24]

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How is it unreasonable to expect one good asset in a trade? Cavs are offering Kevin Love for him. The talk about what the Lakers and maybe Rockets would give up is better than the Celtics offer.



If the Celtics position is that they'll take a gamble on him if they are able to get him without giving up anything of real value, than that's a reasonable position to take. But they aren't being held to any higher standard here just because they have a lot of assets.

PG is running around telling his friends he's gonna sign with LA regardless and that he doesn't want LA trading assets for him. He has killed his own trade value.

Expecting the nets pick and Tatum/Brown is silly. That's a Danny Ainge laughs and hangs up situation.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'm glad free agency is about to hit.

Tired of Fakenews

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You think it's going to stop?

[DieHardYankee26]

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NY post claiming Masai was interested but compensation for Raptors was an issue. Sounds more like everyone covering their tracks. Basically all sides of story have been claimed as fact.

Ujiri interested, comp not good enough
Knicks confident they'll get him
Knicks won't be contacting him
Ujiri staying with Raptors

The thing started with Begley saying he knows Dolan likes Masai, and then 4 hours later Woj tweets there's interest with no article. 2 hours after that he retweets a guy who works at his imprint with a story where the source says someone told the Vertical that Dolan has longstanding respect for Masai. This reminds me already of starting the Porzingis frenzy over month old news.

I don't think there was ever anything here, the first declarative statement in our presidency search was Ramona Shelburne saying we've had preliminary talks with David Griffin.

[wco81]

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PG is running around telling his friends he's gonna sign with LA regardless and that he doesn't want LA trading assets for him. He has killed his own trade value.

Expecting the nets pick and Tatum/Brown is silly. That's a Danny Ainge laughs and hangs up situation.

Celtics have no other shot at PG13 then right?

If they don't trade for him, they can't sign him in FA next year? Yes he's supposedly going to the Lakers but if the Lakers win only 25 games, with all that young talent, is George going to go there by himself so that they win maybe 35-40 games the season after that? That might not be good enough even to get into the playoffs in the WC.

If the Cavs are really offering Kevin Love, an all-star, Celtics have to offer something, even if it may be a one-year rental.

If the Celtics trade for him, win another 50-55 games and at least get to the ECF again, will PG13 really leave that for a Lakers team which may win 25-35 games during the same season?

[areobee401]

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Celtics have no other shot at PG13 then right?

If they don't trade for him, they can't sign him in FA next year? Yes he's supposedly going to the Lakers but if the Lakers win only 25 games, with all that young talent, is George going to go there by himself so that they win maybe 35-40 games the season after that? That might not be good enough even to get into the playoffs in the WC.

If the Cavs are really offering Kevin Love, an all-star, Celtics have to offer something, even if it may be a one-year rental.

If the Celtics trade for him, win another 50-55 games and at least get to the ECF again, will PG13 really leave that for a Lakers team which may win 25-35 games during the same season?

1. You're asking us questions none of us have the answers to. All we can by is what Paul George's people have leaked out through the media. We don't know what would/could sway him to change his mind.

2. Just because the Cavs offered Kevin Love doesn't mean the Celtics have to offer their most valuable trade pieces for Paul George. Cavs situation and the Celtics situation are completely different as of today.

3. See #1.

[wwharton]

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Celtics have no other shot at PG13 then right?

If they don't trade for him, they can't sign him in FA next year? Yes he's supposedly going to the Lakers but if the Lakers win only 25 games, with all that young talent, is George going to go there by himself so that they win maybe 35-40 games the season after that? That might not be good enough even to get into the playoffs in the WC.

If the Cavs are really offering Kevin Love, an all-star, Celtics have to offer something, even if it may be a one-year rental.

If the Celtics trade for him, win another 50-55 games and at least get to the ECF again, will PG13 really leave that for a Lakers team which may win 25-35 games during the same season?

If the Lakers win 25 games it'll be because some piece got hurt and/or another is slower to develop. They are very young and it'd be be criminal for anyone (player or otherwise) to predict what they'd look like a year later with George based on their record next year.

More importantly, he wants to go home... wants to play for his favorite team. Many people don't put enough weight into the human element. Being the center piece of his favorite team in his home town, with Magic in charge of rebuilding to greatness is very attractive.

[23]

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You think it's going to stop?

No but the actual period of fake news is gone.

I barely pay attention to it because much of it is click bait

More and more we're seeing how much these leakers dont know than anything else

Even Broussard is staying away