2017 Offseason Thread

[Majingir]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I'd be surprised if Raptors don't re-sign Ibaka. People guessing it might've been one of those "handshake agreements" made when they traded for him which is why they were so comfortable giving up a pick and player for him.

[SPTO]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I'd be surprised if Raptors don't re-sign Ibaka. People guessing it might've been one of those "handshake agreements" made when they traded for him which is why they were so comfortable giving up a pick and player for him.

I think it's a foregone conclusion he'll be a Raptor next year. I've been hearing off and on throughout the year that Lowry might be a Sign and Trade guy this offseason though.

[Majingir]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I think it's a foregone conclusion he'll be a Raptor next year. I've been hearing off and on throughout the year that Lowry might be a Sign and Trade guy this offseason though.

You mean that one article about Lowry? Sign and trades don't happen anymore do they? If anything, I see it more like a sign..............and trade. Meaning they'll sign him, and if things go south, he'll be dealt.

I really doubt Casey stays especially if Lowry returns. Raptors blew VC era in many ways,but one of them was ignoring his input on coaching. This time listen to the players. Let next year's team play with new coach, if same results happen then blame is on players and moves could be made.

[wco81]

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Tough thing about Lowry and CP3 is that they're going to get these huge contracts but their next 5 years won't be anywhere near as good as their previous 5.

They're still good enough to retain but they will be declining in 3-4 years if not sooner.

[SPTO]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I really doubt Casey stays especially if Lowry returns. Raptors blew VC era in many ways,but one of them was ignoring his input on coaching. This time listen to the players. Let next year's team play with new coach, if same results happen then blame is on players and moves could be made.

I wonder if Ujiri had any inkling about this by having Stackhouse coach the 905 this past season because that's one way to get him some quick practical head coaching experience and he's popular with some of the guys on the current Raptors squad. Norman Powell credits Stackhouse with a lot of the success he's had this season for one. Only way the Raptors stick with Casey next year is if they somehow make it to the Finals.

[Majingir]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

It begins again...

http://nypost.com/2017/04/30/why-the-jazzs-win-could-have-carmelo-anthony-heading-west/

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Consider the source there.

It's the NY Post. It's like the Chris Broussard/Stephen A. Smith of Newspapers.


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[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

He didn't make any outrageous claims or say he's privy to insider information like Isola so I don't have a problem with it. It's an opinion piece. What are the writers supposed to do?

[NYJets]

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He didn't make any outrageous claims or say he's privy to insider information like Isola so I don't have a problem with it. It's an opinion piece. What are the writers supposed to do?

Though I don't get how Reddick being a free agent makes a trade more likely.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He didn't make any outrageous claims or say he's privy to insider information like Isola so I don't have a problem with it. It's an opinion piece. What are the writers supposed to do?

Berman and Isola are one in the same to me. Never said anyone should have a problem with it.

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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

It's too late for the Clippers.... geez

It's like over.

Old man Carmelo aint gonna save them now.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Here you go, King

Cap flexibility. That and bringing back Fred Hoiberg. And Rajon Rondo.

Those were the big themes theme when Bulls Vice President of Basketball Operations John Paxson and General Manager Gar Forman spoke to the media on Wednesday. The Bulls were 41-41, which is about what should have been expected from a roster that lacked shooting, but that felt like a disappointment in Chicago. This was a team that floundered around without an identity, and Paxson owned up to it, as Vincent Goodwill of CSNChicago.com reported.

Bulls VP John Paxson: "We saw what you saw and a lot of our fans saw. Inconsistency in our play and searching for an identity."

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

Often a lack of identity is blamed on the coach, but Fred Hoiberg will be back.

Pax: “Fred’s our coach, he will be back."

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

Pax on Fred: "I view young coaches in this league like young players. Fred’s challenge this offseason is to find ways to be a better leader.

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

A lot of that identity issue should fall on Paxson and Forman, who gave Hoiberg a roster that didn’t fit the style he prefers to coach or match up with team star Jimmy Butler.

Also returning, Rajon Rondo (the Bulls have a team option).

Paxson: “Really good chance we bring Rajon back."

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

But running this roster back, does that make sense? When asked about getting another star player to pair with Butler — and no, Dwyane Wade is not the answer there (he has a player option and $23 million reasons to pick it up) — the Bulls front office talked about cap flexibility.

Pax: "With Jimmy, all of us would love to get another superstar player but with the salaries we have now, it’s a difficult thing to manage."

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

Gar talking about the importance of cap flexibility down the line as opposed to spending now

— Vincent Goodwill (@vgoodwill) May 3, 2017

So does that mean the Bulls will trade Butler? You’d have to read between the lines on that. K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune tried.

My takeaway: Bulls won't trade Butler just to say "let's rebuild" but absolutely would do full rebuild if right offer for Butler came.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) May 3, 2017

This is why any speculation on Butler makes little sense at this point. Draft lottery will bring big detail into picture.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) May 3, 2017

All-NBA teams will bring another detail into picture. If Butler makes one, have to factor in possible Designated Player Exception for him.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) May 3, 2017

There are a lot of questions the Bulls need to answer. Offering Jimmy Butler the same kind of designated player contract extension that Russell Westbrook is going to get something the Bulls want to do, because it would hurt that cap flexibility? If the Celtics land a top two pick (they have the right to swap with Brooklyn this year, the team with the best odds in the lottery) and offered it for Butler, could that be the basis of a deal that got done? (Would the Celtics do that is another question.)

What the Bulls need is a plan. They have talked about cap flexibility and the kind of team they want to build before, then they go out and pay big for Wade and Rondo and short-circuit all of it. GarPax hasn’t stuck to a plan. We’ll see if they have one this summer, what it is, and if they stick to it. But with the Bulls, it always feels like just about anything could happen.

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[wco81]

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Why did they make the trade with the Thunder any ways?

They could have used Gibson and McDermott in the playoffs.

They didn't want to pay those players after the season?

If they have their picks, they should tank rather than try to barely make the playoffs.

MJ needed Pippen, who was the fifth pick of his draft class and an immediate impact player. (BTW, I see that he was actually drafted by Seattle but traded for an Olden Polynice? What was the logic behind that trade?).

[wwharton]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Why did they make the trade with the Thunder any ways?

They could have used Gibson and McDermott in the playoffs.

They didn't want to pay those players after the season?

If they have their picks, they should tank rather than try to barely make the playoffs.

MJ needed Pippen, who was the fifth pick of his draft class and an immediate impact player. (BTW, I see that he was actually drafted by Seattle but traded for an Olden Polynice? What was the logic behind that trade?).

Potential they saw in Pippen?
Didn't feel they needed Polynice with what they already had down low?

Not sure how that question can be answered. What was the logic behind the Kobe for Divac trade?

[wco81]

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No why did Seattle trade the 5th pick of the draft for some guy?

Maybe Polynice had a lot of potential at the time but you'd also think any player good enough to be drafted #5 would be someone you'd want, not to trade away.