2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[The 24th Letter]

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The way they're playing is successful because they are hitting a bunch of poorly contested 3's....no excuses about it....its not indefensible....we have to guard better. All credit to them for blowing us out and on to game 2.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Sorry, 24...

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[ojandpizza]

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It's just hard to guard a high pick and roll when the ball handler is James Harden and the screener is Ryan Anderson having a hot night. Doesn't really matter who the defenders are or what the rule changes are. There isn't a proper way to defend it when both can shoot that well, from that far, and the ball handler has maybe the best ball control in the league and draws fouls better than anyone in the league. You're at their mercy.


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[CaseIH]

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Im shocked at how bad the Spurs looked last night, that I didnt even stay up to watch the whole game, which is rare as I almost always stay up no matter how late it gets to finish watching who ever play.

Granted the Rockets looked really good, so they had something to do with the Spurs poor play, but Spurs didnt help themselves any either.

I suppose even the Spurs can have a off game every now and then in the playoffs, but they looked not only old last night, but soft as well. LA needs to find his game, and find it quick, he hasnt ever been a real physical player, but he looks as soft as Blake Griffin is out there. With the way LA has been playing, he would struggle in the WNBA

[Streets]

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It's just hard to guard a high pick and roll when the ball handler is James Harden and the screener is Ryan Anderson having a hot night. Doesn't really matter who the defenders are or what the rule changes are. There isn't a proper way to defend it when both can shoot that well, from that far, and the ball handler has maybe the best ball control in the league and draws fouls better than anyone in the league. You're at their mercy.


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I think the biggest factor was Harden's decision-making, especially in the pick and roll. If they tried to hedge and recover he drove to the basket, if they switched he abused the bigger guy, if they doubled it was a lob to Clint, if they tried to front him/deny the ball, he'd slip backdoor. His basketball IQ was just off the charts this game and he always seemed to make the right play. I think he had 14 of the team's 30 assists. The unselfishness and leadership to make sure everyone else got gong and putting winning above all else is what amazes me. Watching Harden take that next step this season has been a joy to watch. He could have easily been the next Melo. Instead he's really maturing.

MDA talked about how they don't run plays (except out of timeouts). He said they basicallly put the ball in James' hands and trust that he'll make the right decision depending on what the defense gives him.

[JazzMan]

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For games 3 and 4. Dope...

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[The 24th Letter]

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Man those are some dope shirts must admit..

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

Utah never disappoints with the playoff atmosphere. Love the Arena setup there with the shirts.

Also just realized, this is the first time these 2 have met in the playoffs since the "We Believe" Warriors - Deron Williams/Carlos Boozer days too.

Man that was a fun series. Matter of fact, the playoffs in general that year was just awesome. Great games and upsets as well.


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[The 24th Letter]

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Utah never disappoints with the playoff atmosphere. Love the Arena setup there with the shirts.

Also just realized, this is the first time these 2 have met in the playoffs since the "We Believe" Warriors - Deron Williams/Carlos Boozer days too.

Man that was a fun series. Matter of fact, the playoffs in general that year was just awesome. Great games and upsets as well.


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It was cool until they let Derrick Fisher hit the Daniel Bryan knee strike on Brent Barry and didn't call foul...

[lilteapot]

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Those shirts are hideous.

[Nevertheles109]

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Well... let's wait for game 2.

In Pop, I trust.


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I'm a huge Pop fan, but what's up with switching on the perimeter after a 20 pt lead in the 1st quarter?!

I get the switching philosophy but if you are literally getting murdered from it, why not change? When they came out in the 2nd half and still continued to switch, I turned off the game.

You have arguably the best defender in the league (and Danny Green, top 10), and you neutralize him by putting him on role players oppose to one of the best scorers in the league..

And then what happens? James Harden penetrates past your flat footed *** bigs and then help is neccessary, and the ball swings to the open shooter. Its literally playing EXACTLY into Houston's hand.

Dumbest gameplan I've seen Pop implement AND stick with in a long time. He tried it last year and it didn't work. Good regular season gameplan, but horrific in the playoffs with his personnel.

[Streets]

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I'm a huge Pop fan, but what's up with switching on the perimeter after a 20 pt lead in the 1st quarter?!

I get the switching philosophy but if you are literally getting murdered from it, why not change? When they came out in the 2nd half and still continued to switch, I turned off the game.

You have arguably the best defender in the league (and Danny Green, top 10), and you neutralize him by putting him on role players oppose to one of the best scorers in the league..

And then what happens? James Harden penetrates past your flat footed *** bigs and then help is neccessary, and the ball swings to the open shooter. Its literally playing EXACTLY into Houston's hand.

Dumbest gameplan I've seen Pop implement AND stick with in a long time. He tried it last year and it didn't work. Good regular season gameplan, but horrific in the playoffs with his personnel.

I think the reason you don't see Kawhi on Harden is because he's your team's best offensive player as well as defensive. And so the fear is that he gets into foul trouble and you have no one to run the offense. I'm betting the plan (and it's good coaching) was to have Kawhi lock him down in the 4th but the game was over by that point. It'll be interesting to see if they go with Kawhi on James earlier in game 2.

[The 24th Letter]

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Pretty much...if we were in the game we probably would have seen more adjustments....

Kawhi on the best opposing player for the entire game is rarely going to be the plan...we cant afford that anymore...

We also need to get LMA more involved...while he hasn't been playing great hes not really involved in the game plan...

[Nevertheles109]

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I think the reason you don't see Kawhi on Harden is because he's your team's best offensive player as well as defensive. And so the fear is that he gets into foul trouble and you have no one to run the offense. I'm betting the plan (and it's good coaching) was to have Kawhi lock him down in the 4th but the game was over by that point. It'll be interesting to see if they go with Kawhi on James earlier in game 2.

Yeah, I get that. But don't forget the Spurs have Danny Green. I don't care if it's the 1st quarter or the 4th, LA/Gasol don't belong in the vicinity as James Harden.

Employ Danny Green, Jonathon Simmons at times and Kawhi in the 4th. But Gasol and Aldridge are probably one of the worst perimeter bigs on the defensive end, and you put them on the best offensive player in the league.

Pop is the truth, but that's a comical gameplan or bad execution on the team's part.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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What about playing Kawhi at the 4?

Is there a difference in the team's play when he's there at times? I mean I assume it'd be a better option than continually dropping Lee/Gasol out there and watching them get abused on switches or even with Anderson on the perimeter where he's pulling them out.


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