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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #3526
    2018 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    And all he was shooting was late in the clock situations.


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    This wasn’t always the case.
    Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 08-09-2018, 07:00 AM.
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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #3527
      Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

      Per ProBasketballTalk:

      Seven of the top eight teams in our power rankings will play on Christmas this year.

      The lone exception: Toronto.

      Even after winning 59 games last season and trading for Kawhi Leonard, the Raptors didn’t get the nod for the NBA’s premier regular-season date. With the Bucks playing this year, Toronto’s Christmas-game drought (since 2001) is topped by just the Hawks (1989), Jazz (1997), Hornets (never) and Grizzlies (never).

      But it wasn’t for a lack of effort by Toronto.

      Josh Lewenberg of TSN:

      For the 17th straight year the Raptors won't be playing on Christmas Day. Toronto management/ownership pushed hard, I’m told. The NBA has its reasons, all of them business-related, but that doesn’t mean it sits well with Canada’s team, or its fans.

      The NBA is a business, and it’s not good business to blindly feature the best teams on the main stage. High-quality on-court performance definitely helps, but there are other factors.

      In a league that draws so much revenue based on American TV viewership, it’s just hard to justify spotlighting a Canadian team. Toronto, while large, is a tricky market.

      This shouldn’t mean the Raptors never play on Christmas. I question the wisdom of scheduling the Knicks on Christmas with Kristaps Porzingis likely still injured. Even attracting the New York market, will they draw high enough ratings? Probably.

      At best, this lands in questionable territory, which means the league’s treatment of Toronto is totally justifiable.

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #3528
        Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

        Knicks News

        The Knicks – even after firing Jeff Hornacek and hiring David Fizdale – planned to stretch Joakim Noah after Sept. 1.

        Apparently nothing changed this summer.

        Adrian Wojnarowski and Ian Begley of ESPN:

        Unless general manager Scott Perry can find a trade that includes Noah, the Knicks will use the NBA’s waive-and-stretch provision to release Noah sometime after Sept. 1, league sources said.

        The Knicks almost certainly won’t trade Noah, who’s guaranteed $18,530,000 next season and $19,295,000 the following season. He has arguably the NBA’s worst contract, and New York would have to attach significant sweeteners to unload him.

        That leaves the stretch provision.

        By executing it after September begins, the Knicks would pay his entire $18,530,000 salary this season. Better to get that out of the way during what projects to be a down year with Kristaps Porzingis hurt and the rest of the roster lacking.

        Then, the $19,295,000 remaining on Noah’s contract would get spread over the following three seasons in equal $6,431,667 cap hits. New York would open an extra $12,863,333 in cap space next summer (minus a roster charge if the Knicks have fewer than 12 players).

        That $12 million-ish could go a long way in free agency. The Knicks offer a huge market and a rising team, they’d appeal to many players.

        But the Knicks could get this same benefit next summer. They could wait until they line up free agents who require that extra cap space then stretch Noah. By delaying, New York would also leave open the possibility of trading Noah.

        If free agents forgo the Knicks next summer, New York could also decide just to pay Noah his entire salary in 2019-20 and get it over with rather than incurring unmovable $6,431,667 cap hits in each 2020-21 and 2021-22.

        So, why stretch him this offseason? It’s mostly a huge favor to Noah. He wants to play, and the 33-year-old doesn’t fit the Knicks’ rebuild. This allows him to find his next team before the season.

        It also removes a potential malcontent from the locker room (though New York could just tell him to stay home) and opens a roster spot.

        Ultimately, the Knicks are mandating they put their 2019 cap space to better use than they could in 2020 and 2021 – nearly a year before they must make that call.

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        • DieHardYankee26
          BING BONG
          • Feb 2008
          • 10178

          #3529
          Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

          I'd rather they just let the contract expire than keep any kind of penalty on the books after 2 seasons from now.

          Seems like the thought is KP is going to get whatever money we would save by not stretching Noah right now (allowing us to use 12 mil in space next year instead of waiting) but won't KP's cap hit be based on his current salary, and wouldn't that mean we would still have that money available to play with in that offseason until he inked the deal?
          Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 08-09-2018, 08:08 AM.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #3530
            Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

            I can see using the provision as a nice gesture to Noah who can probably land somewhere for the minimum.

            I'm sure those things go a long way with agents and their free agents.

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            • georgiafan
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 11099

              #3531
              Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

              According to the trade machine a Plumlee and Tyler Dorsey trade works cap wise for Noah. If the Knicks are willing to give up a future 1st that's like top 5 protected I think I would do that if I am the Hawks. Plumlee is useless but he makes 6 million less the Noah and he can be stretched at the end of the year. I am just not sure if that would save enough $ for the Knicks to give up a 1st. Dedman could also be added to the trade.
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              • J_Posse
                Greatness Personified
                • Jun 2005
                • 11255

                #3532
                Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Per ProBasketballTalk:




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                The NBA is so hypocritical with this stance. Why have a team in Canada at all if all you'll do is shun them when given the chance?

                So, Milwaukee is a bigger deal than Toronto? Just stupid.....

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                • areobee401
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 16771

                  #3533
                  Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                  Gainnis and the New York Knicks are more marketable to the average American NBA consumers than the Toronto Raptors or anyone on their roster.
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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #3534
                    Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                    Originally posted by areobee401
                    Gainnis and the New York Knicks are more marketable to the average American NBA consumers than the Toronto Raptors or anyone on their roster.


                    I don’t know why this is so hard to follow.


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                    • Fresh Tendrils
                      Strike Hard and Fade Away
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 36131

                      #3535
                      Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      I don’t know why this is so hard to follow.


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                      Another day another "poor Canada" story.



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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #3536
                        Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
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                        I hate the move. There's no reason to be doing Noah any favors in this situation. It's a dumb financial move for the team. Noah can sit at home for two more years if he's got a problem with his situation or negotiate a buyout.
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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #3537
                          Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                          Originally posted by J_Posse
                          The NBA is so hypocritical with this stance. Why have a team in Canada at all if all you'll do is shun them when given the chance?

                          So, Milwaukee is a bigger deal than Toronto? Just stupid.....

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                          Yep, it's frustrating to no end and people wonder why Raptors fans (and i'm guilty of it sometimes) have such a persecution/victim complex. It'd be something else if it was a market like Vancouver but Toronto is literally the 4th or 5th BIGGEST market in the continent!

                          It's not like this city is some po dunk town in the middle of nowhere. Two of the Christmas Day matchups can easily be replaced by Raptors/Spurs. I'm over it though and will just let it ride. I'm just hoping ESPN and TNT air more games with the Raptors in them at the very least. It doesn't matter if it's on the road just give the team some damn exposure!
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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #3538
                            Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                            Why do you want national games to begin with? I guess we're in complete opposite camps (you, fan of a good team with no exposure, and me, fan of a bad team with endless exposure) so I don't get it. Why do you care? Another thing is I prefer our local announcers to having to listen to JVG and Mark Jackson. Knicks on national TV means I don't get Breen and Clyde. There is no upside to a national game to me. I'd get it if it were 20 years ago and I couldn't get Knicks games out of market, but that's not the case anymore. Why does exposure even matter?
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                            I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                            In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                            The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #3539
                              Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                              I guess they want to be liked in America so bad when the thing is you could put all 82 of their games on National TV and it still wouldn’t make folks care about them any more than they do now.
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                              • Fresh Tendrils
                                Strike Hard and Fade Away
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 36131

                                #3540
                                Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                                I would rather my team not play on Christmas because I typically end up missing most of the games anyway. At best they're just background noise.



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