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  • King_B_Mack
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    • Jan 2009
    • 24450

    #1111
    Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by TMagic
    I just don't get this "Don't trade to the Lakers cause they'll get better!!!" argument that seems to be floating around.

    That just sounds like you are playing not to lose instead of winning. If LA can provide you with the best pieces to improve now and into the future, why the hell would you not do that? "Because the Lakers will get LeBron" is just terrible reasoning. You do what you do to get better. Period.

    It reminds me of this last time I was playing Monopoly. Lol...I had one monopoly already and had three railroads. My mom had random other pieces and the one railroad I needed. I asked to trade her the orange piece I had that would have given her her only monopoly and for her to give me the last railroad. She was adamant about saying no because "Then you would have all the railroads!" And I'm sitting there telling her you're not going to win with no monopolies playing with a bunch of random properties. But she REFUSED and would not give it up all because she was worried about ME getting better.

    Moral of the story...you play to win...

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    To be fair, LA CAN'T provide them with the best pieces to get better, so it's not like it's really the wrong thing for them to NOT want to deal with LA.

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    • TMagic
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      • Apr 2007
      • 7550

      #1112
      Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      To be fair, LA CAN'T provide them with the best pieces to get better, so it's not like it's really the wrong thing for them to NOT want to deal with LA.
      Based on what is being said, it probably is with Kawhi n Co supposedly putting it out there that he won't be signing with anyone except LA.

      As many have said, teams can't be dumb enough to trade away key pieces for a possible one year rental

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      • ggsimmonds
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jan 2009
        • 11235

        #1113
        Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

        Originally posted by TMagic
        I just don't get this "Don't trade to the Lakers cause they'll get better!!!" argument that seems to be floating around.

        That just sounds like you are playing not to lose instead of winning. If LA can provide you with the best pieces to improve now and into the future, why the hell would you not do that? "Because the Lakers will get LeBron" is just terrible reasoning. You do what you do to get better. Period.

        It reminds me of this last time I was playing Monopoly. Lol...I had one monopoly already and had three railroads. My mom had random other pieces and the one railroad I needed. I asked to trade her the orange piece I had that would have given her her only monopoly and for her to give me the last railroad. She was adamant about saying no because "Then you would have all the railroads!" And I'm sitting there telling her you're not going to win with no monopolies playing with a bunch of random properties. But she REFUSED and would not give it up all because she was worried about ME getting better.

        Moral of the story...you play to win...

        She lost [emoji23]

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        The Lakers are the only team that the Spurs can squeeze, that is all its about. Every other team is hesitant to offer a lot in a trade.

        Lakers feel the pressure right now, and the Spurs know it. So innocently spread the story that you really don't want to deal the Lakers hoping that the pressure to "win" the offseason forces them to give up more.

        Moral of the story? Maybe the Spurs are playing a deeper game than monopoly.

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        • 23
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          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #1114
          Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          To be fair, LA CAN'T provide them with the best pieces to get better, so it's not like it's really the wrong thing for them to NOT want to deal with LA.


          Either Way the Spurs might be headed for some down years.

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          • Vni
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2011
            • 14833

            #1115
            Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

            Originally posted by 23
            Either Way the Spurs might be headed for some down years.

            I like to wake up to that kind of posts.

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            • superjames1992
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2007
              • 31382

              #1116
              Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              To be fair, LA CAN'T provide them with the best pieces to get better, so it's not like it's really the wrong thing for them to NOT want to deal with LA.
              Yeah, the proposed offers from LAL look like dumpster fires. I’m not sold on Ingram, Kuzma seems good but I’m not too sure about him, and Lonzo has off the court issues with LaVar.....

              I’d much rather see a trade with Philadelphia or Boston.
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              • redsox4evur
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                • Jul 2013
                • 18169

                #1117
                Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                Boston is out on Kawhi, have been for a week or so if not longer. The last time the Celtics and Spurs was at the draft. The Celtics package was based around Kyrie and picks not any of the other 18 combinations that have been mentioned by reporters and fans. The Spurs then countered with packages based around Brown/Tatum and Boston passed on those.


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                • BleacherBum2310
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                  • Aug 2010
                  • 7107

                  #1118
                  Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                  Originally posted by redsox4evur
                  Boston is out on Kawhi, have been for a week or so if not longer. The last time the Celtics and Spurs was at the draft. The Celtics package was based around Kyrie and picks not any of the other 18 combinations that have been mentioned by reporters and fans. The Spurs then countered with packages based around Brown/Tatum and Boston passed on those.


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                  good I get contract reasons but trading Kyrie makes little sense. his skillset is so valuable on a contending team. and Lowe piece said Celtics believe they have a v good chance at retaining Kyrie.

                  it seems alot of the reports there just being used as leverage.

                  just roll the team back!
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                  • ggsimmonds
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11235

                    #1119
                    Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                    Originally posted by superjames1992
                    Yeah, the proposed offers from LAL look like dumpster fires. I’m not sold on Ingram, Kuzma seems good but I’m not too sure about him, and Lonzo has off the court issues with LaVar.....

                    I’d much rather see a trade with Philadelphia or Boston.
                    But Philly and Boston should be, and probably are, unwilling to give up what the Spurs would ask for.

                    I wouldn't be surprised if reports of other teams engaging in talks is just more games being played by the Spurs. Maybe a giving up valuable assets makes sense if a team thinks he is the final piece to a championship, but there is not a team that you can add Leonard to that would be able to beat GS.

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
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                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #1120
                      Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                      Originally posted by TMagic
                      Based on what is being said, it probably is with Kawhi n Co supposedly putting it out there that he won't be signing with anyone except LA.

                      As many have said, teams can't be dumb enough to trade away key pieces for a possible one year rental

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                      Sounds like the Paul George situation.
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                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #1121
                        Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                        Originally posted by 23
                        Either Way the Spurs might be headed for some down years.



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                        • ojandpizza
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                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #1122
                          Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                          Man there isn't no way the Spurs find something better than Ingram and Kuzma plus pieces and I'm not even sold on the idea that the Lakers would give up both of them. I don't think they would. Two guys capable of putting up 20 a night very soon, both of them are as far along offensively as Kawhi was in his 4th or so season in the league even though one is only a rookie and the other is only 20 years old. They can wait and get him for nothing, or they can keep both of those guys and swing for PG/Bron instead of Kawhi. Either way those two pieces, if they improve the way one would assume, are going to be better than just having Kawhi.

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                          • turty11
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                            • Apr 2013
                            • 8923

                            #1123
                            Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                            kuzma and ingram is likely he best theyll get similar to the PG trade last year when people were saying indiana got nothing until oladipo turned into a star.




                            Also PG is apparently considering boston



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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #1124
                              Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by ojandpizza
                              Man there isn't no way the Spurs find something better than Ingram and Kuzma plus pieces and I'm not even sold on the idea that the Lakers would give up both of them. I don't think they would. Two guys capable of putting up 20 a night very soon, both of them are as far along offensively as Kawhi was in his 4th or so season in the league even though one is only a rookie and the other is only 20 years old. They can wait and get him for nothing, or they can keep both of those guys and swing for PG/Bron instead of Kawhi. Either way those two pieces, if they improve the way one would assume, are going to be better than just having Kawhi.
                              At this point, I think LA will ultimately offer those two and picks and the Spurs will ultimately take it. But I agree, it's extremely unlikely that the Spurs find a better offer than that elsewhere.
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                              • turty11
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                                • Apr 2013
                                • 8923

                                #1125
                                Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

                                Lebron has opted out.
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