2018 Off-Season Thread

[cima]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

I like the idea of the documentary PG is doing because it gives zero clue on what he's doing. Staying in OKC when everyone expects you to go home? Here's a documentary on why. Finally going home? Here's a documentary on why.

I really have no idea what he's gonna do.

I feel like the Lakers aren't gonna end up with Kawhi though. I think best case scenario is something like LeBron/PG/Boogie or CP3 but LeBron/Boogie/CP3 would be a failure IMO with 2 older dudes and a guy coming off a career-altering injury.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Man there isn't no way the Spurs find something better than Ingram and Kuzma plus pieces and I'm not even sold on the idea that the Lakers would give up both of them. I don't think they would. Two guys capable of putting up 20 a night very soon, both of them are as far along offensively as Kawhi was in his 4th or so season in the league even though one is only a rookie and the other is only 20 years old. They can wait and get him for nothing, or they can keep both of those guys and swing for PG/Bron instead of Kawhi. Either way those two pieces, if they improve the way one would assume, are going to be better than just having Kawhi.

But why would the Spurs give up Kawhi for a trash player like Ingram though? [emoji848]

[CMH]

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I'm not really sure why people keep saying that the Spurs don't have leverage and acting like they HAVE to trade Kawhi right now, they have the leverage to take this into the season all the way to the trade deadline if they want to.

Spoiler

If the goal for the Lakers is to get PG, LeBron and Kawhi, they have to get Kawhi in a trade from the Spurs. If the Spurs whole reason is not to deal with the Lakers to prevent them from creating a super team then they simply DON'T have to trade with them. They have the ability to wait the Lakers out.

Firstly in order to get LeBron to sign there, it sounds like they have to secure PG and Kawhi. Are the Lakers really going to go the whole summer all the way through training camp without making any moves? If someone signs Randle to an offer sheet are they going to not match while still trying to wait out the Spurs to bite on a lowball offer? Are they going to let him walk without having either PG or LeBron secured? They only have 72 hours to match if he's signed. If you let him walk in order to hold out for those three, how do you replace him if Kawhi decides to accept the super max from SA?

If say PG signs day one of free agency but you still haven't gotten Kawhi or LeBron and Randle signs an offer sheet, what do you do? Do you let him go and hope you can finish the big three? How do you replace Randle going into the season with STILL no Kawhi?

What if while you're waiting out SA, LeBron gets tired of waiting to see a resolution there and stays with Cleveland or signs elsewhere?

If Randle signs an offer sheet and you match because you fear going into the offseason with nothing and then you get LeBron and you get PG, how do you still sign Kawhi next offseason? Right now they're looking at about 59 million in cap space for next year. You factor in LeBron, PG and Randle's salaries and where exactly does Kawhi fit into that equation unless he plans on taking a MASSIVE pay cut?

The Spurs from where I'm sitting most certainly have leverage. A hell of a lot more than the Lakers do honestly. Either give up Ingram and/or Kuzma now for Kawhi or desperately do it at the trade deadline. They only have one shot at putting the three of them together and that's this offseason.

If they trade for Kawhi they can go over the cap to retain him.

If he's a free agent, they may be locked out of it if they somehow have both LeBron and PG. I'm sure they won't have the space even if it's just LeBron or PG since they'll need to retain Randle or sign someone else to have a team.

I guess they could go the KCP route again and offer one year deals but that's late into the summer and LeBron / PG won't be happy if Kawhi is still sitting in San Antonio. Not to mention LA fans that would be screaming for the Lakers to just offer anyone to make it work.

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[ojandpizza]

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But why would the Spurs give up Kawhi for a trash player like Ingram though? [emoji848]

47% trash, he's working his way out of it.

[superjames1992]

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I love how people are just s***ing on our players.

Some of these trade scenarios being brought up for Kawhi are disrespectful as hell. Lol

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I’d like to have Lonzo if it wasn’t for LaVar.

[georgiafan]

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hearing rumors of Deng to the Hawks with 2 future 1st round picks the cost

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If they trade for Kawhi they can go over the cap to retain him.

If he's a free agent, they may be locked out of it if they somehow have both LeBron and PG. I'm sure they won't have the space even if it's just LeBron or PG since they'll need to retain Randle or sign someone else to have a team.

I guess they could go the KCP route again and offer one year deals but that's late into the summer and LeBron / PG won't be happy if Kawhi is still sitting in San Antonio. Not to mention LA fans that would be screaming for the Lakers to just offer anyone to make it work.

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He can always do a 1+1 since that’s the thing to do now for players since they can still cash out.

[ojandpizza]

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I'm not really sure why people keep saying that the Spurs don't have leverage and acting like they HAVE to trade Kawhi right now, they have the leverage to take this into the season all the way to the trade deadline if they want to.

Spoiler

If the goal for the Lakers is to get PG, LeBron and Kawhi, they have to get Kawhi in a trade from the Spurs. If the Spurs whole reason is not to deal with the Lakers to prevent them from creating a super team then they simply DON'T have to trade with them. They have the ability to wait the Lakers out.

Firstly in order to get LeBron to sign there, it sounds like they have to secure PG and Kawhi. Are the Lakers really going to go the whole summer all the way through training camp without making any moves? If someone signs Randle to an offer sheet are they going to not match while still trying to wait out the Spurs to bite on a lowball offer? Are they going to let him walk without having either PG or LeBron secured? They only have 72 hours to match if he's signed. If you let him walk in order to hold out for those three, how do you replace him if Kawhi decides to accept the super max from SA?

If say PG signs day one of free agency but you still haven't gotten Kawhi or LeBron and Randle signs an offer sheet, what do you do? Do you let him go and hope you can finish the big three? How do you replace Randle going into the season with STILL no Kawhi?

What if while you're waiting out SA, LeBron gets tired of waiting to see a resolution there and stays with Cleveland or signs elsewhere?

If Randle signs an offer sheet and you match because you fear going into the offseason with nothing and then you get LeBron and you get PG, how do you still sign Kawhi next offseason? Right now they're looking at about 59 million in cap space for next year. You factor in LeBron, PG and Randle's salaries and where exactly does Kawhi fit into that equation unless he plans on taking a MASSIVE pay cut?

The Spurs from where I'm sitting most certainly have leverage. A hell of a lot more than the Lakers do honestly. Either give up Ingram and/or Kuzma now for Kawhi or desperately do it at the trade deadline. They only have one shot at putting the three of them together and that's this offseason.

Spurs have some leverage, but only with the Lakers. And that leverage gets less and less as time goes on because if the Lakers can't pair him with LeBron or PG whatever they are offering now will go out the window and they can just wait and do all this again next year. They have little to no leverage with other teams because Kawhi doesn't want to stay there, and even if he did nobody knows if he's healthy or if he is healthy will even get back to the form he was only at for literally just ONE season of his career. Once this next season starts he's two seasons removed from that year, it's not like teams just saw him being great in May.

Unless he's a sign and trade for Kawhi, the Lakers will keep Randle. And if they can't trade for Kawhi I think LeBron would still go there if PG is there, and then they have a possibility of getting Kawhi at the deadline for much less than they'll have to give up right now. If not the Lakers just wait for Kawhi next season.

[ojandpizza]

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hearing rumors of Deng to the Hawks with 2 future 1st round picks the cost

Annnd that's all the needed to get 2 of Bron, PG, Cousins.. Making the "desperation" to get Kawhi go out the window.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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PG ain’t going nowhere.

[RedSceptile]

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Let's assume that LeBron would only go to L.A. if Kawhi is there too. Would you trade Ingram and Kuz (or whatever else for matching salaries) for Kawhi if it meant LeBron, as well? I would.

I know that waiting it out for a year is an option but you know the old saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". A lot can happen in a year.

I'll be straight up. No I wouldn't. Call me crazy if you want. Assuming the Lakers have to give up Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and possibly Hart or Lonzo as well as future picks. You've absolutely gutted your roster and you still aren't better than GSW in my honest opinion. So you look flash and exciting for say another 3 or 4 years but this could literally blow up in your face ala Nash and Dwight a few years back. I'm sorry but that's too risky in my opinion. I would not mortgage my entire future for a MAYBE shot at beating out GSW because let's face it, if you can't beat them AND on top of that you hemorrhage your franchise you are going to be hurting.

I would honestly stay put and not gamble my future if that were me.

[georgiafan]

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Annnd that's all the needed to get Bron and PG.. Making the "desperation" to get Kawhi go out the window.

The hawks are def going to use the cap space to take on a bad contract its just a matter of who. The podcast I listen to said the Hawks are the only realistic team that could take on Dengs contract without needing to do anything.

The 2 first seems like a fair starting spot for both sides and maybe a pick swap or something for the year in between the two first. If the deal is legit the lakers can't wait to long as every team is likely calling the hawks to dump salary. Since Dallas looks to be spending their $ on a center and The Bulls on Levine not really any other teams with cap space to kill.

[King_B_Mack]

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If they trade for Kawhi they can go over the cap to retain him.

If he's a free agent, they may be locked out of it if they somehow have both LeBron and PG. I'm sure they won't have the space even if it's just LeBron or PG since they'll need to retain Randle or sign someone else to have a team.

I guess they could go the KCP route again and offer one year deals but that's late into the summer and LeBron / PG won't be happy if Kawhi is still sitting in San Antonio. Not to mention LA fans that would be screaming for the Lakers to just offer anyone to make it work.

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Yeah, I know if they have him on the roster via trade they can go over to sign him. I'm saying they're in the position of needing to get him out of SA first through a trade to get him. So saying the Spurs have no leverage with LA because time is running out on them is wrong. Time is running out on LA to play ball or miss out.

Spurs have some leverage, but only with the Lakers. And that leverage gets less and less as time goes on because if the Lakers can't pair him with LeBron or PG whatever they are offering now will go out the window and they can just wait and do all this again next year. They have little to no leverage with other teams because Kawhi doesn't want to stay there, and even if he did nobody knows if he's healthy or if he is healthy will even get back to the form he was only at for literally just ONE season of his career. Once this next season starts he's two seasons removed from that year, it's not like teams just saw him being great in May.

Unless he's a sign and trade for Kawhi, the Lakers will keep Randle. And if they can't trade for Kawhi I think LeBron would still go there if PG is there, and then they have a possibility of getting Kawhi at the deadline for much less than they'll have to give up right now. If not the Lakers just wait for Kawhi next season.

Of course they don't have leverage with anybody else, but the point I was making is they STILL don't have to rush to trade with LA. People are acting like they need to deal him to LA before the season starts or they'll get nothing or less than the best deal for him and that's not accurate. If they want to, they can take this all the way to the trade deadline. The Lakers can not afford to wait around trying to play chicken with the Spurs if they're ultimate goal is building a super team of LeBron, PG and Kawhi. If that's what the goal is of the Lakers then waiting until next year to sign him is not an option because the only way they're getting him, LeBron and PG is by getting Kawhi traded to them from the Spurs and the longer they wait, the higher the price will be because the temptation to just take the super max extension is going to hang over Kawhi's head the entire time.

[CMH]

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He can always do a 1+1 since that’s the thing to do now for players since they can still cash out.

True. Unless you are concerned about your injury.

Meh, let me be real. Someone will sign Kawhi to the max even if he misses 60 games next season.

Go Knicks!

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[turty11]

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kawhi could miss the entire year and some team would go offer him 40mil a year to get him if they were allowed too.


It's too bad the NBA doesn't have MLB like contracts where lebron could sign a 1+1+1+1 and every year we sit through "will he opt out"