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I think he absolutely is. I think he'll be a good player, but the whole acting like he's going to be an all time great by default seems to be a large amount of over-hype IMO. A lot of it is because we haven't saw a player like him, which is understandable.
But I look at it this way, if he wasn't 270 pounds or whatever he weighs nobody would be saying anything about him outside the norm. Would just be another athletic kid like Wiggins. I guess I just don't see that bulk translating to the league to the point where he is just head and shoulders above the competition like he has been so far.
I'd feel a lot better about him if he were 3 or so inches taller and longer. Also as athletic as he is he also kinda moves a bit funny. Maybe no big deal at all, but awkward movement paired with too much weight and athleticism gives me slight injury concerns.Comment
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I think he absolutely is. I think he'll be a good player, but the whole acting like he's going to be an all time great by default seems to be a large amount of over-hype IMO. A lot of it is because we haven't saw a player like him, which is understandable.
But I look at it this way, if he wasn't 270 pounds or whatever he weighs nobody would be saying anything about him outside the norm. Would just be another athletic kid like Wiggins. I guess I just don't see that bulk translating to the league to the point where he is just head and shoulders above the competition like he has been so far.
I'd feel a lot better about him if he were 3 or so inches taller and longer. Also as athletic as he is he also kinda moves a bit funny. Maybe no big deal at all, but awkward movement paired with too much weight and athleticism gives me slight injury concerns.
All that said, he's definitely my favorite to take the dunk contest.Comment
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On one hand I believe Zion is being overhyped. Then, I see his stats and advanced metrics (I mean, he has a PER of 43.1, win share per 40 of .398 and a BPM of 21.6!!!!) and I'm like the hype is deserve.
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I don’t think Zion is over hyped, but he does come with more questions at the NBA level then RJ does.
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His advanced stats are through the roof, but it's kinda expected given how efficient he is. He's almost sort of breaking the metric which really muddies up how you should interpret it. In reality he's only making 7.9 shots a game though, so propping him up as some sort of offensive juggernaut seems a little pre-mature. All of those per 100 possession stats are factoring in that he would hold this same rate of efficiency if he were playing massive minutes on a replacement level team. Meaning if he went to a worse situation team wise and was playing 35 minutes a night instead of his 25 minutes a night, and teams could gear up on him and double him where they can't really at Duke, that he would still shoot 70% and score at a rate of 40pp100. I don't really see that as being a likely scenario, not just for him but for any player in that circumstance.
I look at a lot of those similarly to how I look at Clint Capela. Would his offensive rating numbers be through the roof like they are somewhere he had to do something other than run to the rim and get open dunks from others drawing attention? Likely not. And Zion could likely hit the league and do this as well, score incredibly efficiently on 7-8 shots a night and flirt with 20 & 10 territory, and dominate those same advanced stats. But that still wouldn't equate him to being some all-time great level player that you run your offense through and build a franchise around.. That's where I have question marks that fall a bit outside of the stats/highlights in comparison to the "hype".
Outside of all that I think there are also question marks on what position he plays, what position he defends, if he can stretch the floor, if he can defend those who stretch the floor.. I think possibly the biggest bright spot for him, outside of his athletic ability obviously, is that his play likely lets those around him thrive because he doesn't need lot's of possessions to maximize his strengths. For teams like Phoenix who has Booker, Ayton this might be good (although they have an entire roster full of guys at his position), or a team like NY with Porzingis coming back, and Knox showing he can be a big scoring piece as well.. For teams like Atlanta or Cleveland who need that "come save us" type of player, I would have big question marks on him being the right fit.
I look at Draymond a bit in terms of his value as that "glue guy" and I think Zion can be that. Not comparing them directly, because his upside is much higher, a better athlete with higher scoring potential, yet no indication that he will have Dray's defensive or play-making instincts. But similar in a sense of with others around him to shoulder some scoring and the "running" of the offense he might be a perfect fit and flourish in his strengths.Comment
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He's overrated by some, maybe. I've never felt he's a lock to be a generational player but I still maintain that I'm taking him first overall by a long shot, as with Doncic last year (we had plenty of fun debates about that). I think he'll be a perennial all-star.
Assuming a reasonable rate of skill development, there's no answer for someone like him in the NBA. Smallball, versatility, a two-way player, strength and athleticism, has a better BBIQ than anyone realized coming into the season, I think he has a higher ceiling as a playmaker than most do, has a good motor, and doesn't appear to be a diva. Sign me up."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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He's overrated by some, maybe. I've never felt he's a lock to be a generational player but I still maintain that I'm taking him first overall by a long shot, as with Doncic last year (we had plenty of fun debates about that). I think he'll be a perennial all-star.
Assuming a reasonable rate of skill development, there's no answer for someone like him in the NBA. Smallball, versatility, a two-way player, strength and athleticism, has a better BBIQ than anyone realized coming into the season, I think he has a higher ceiling as a playmaker than most do, has a good motor, and doesn't appear to be a diva. Sign me up.Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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Assuming a reasonable rate of skill development, there's no answer for someone like him in the NBA. Smallball, versatility, a two-way player, strength and athleticism, has a better BBIQ than anyone realized coming into the season, I think he has a higher ceiling as a playmaker than most do, has a good motor, and doesn't appear to be a diva. Sign me up.
Not saying I don't think he can't be a great player or shouldn't go first, but I'm still not sold on his athletic ability being an instant translation to the league. We've saw too many guys struggle when so much of what made them good at the lower level was just being more athletic than everyone else.. It also hurts him a tad that he came in at that 6'5-6'6 height range instead the 6'8 or whatever people thought he was... On top of the fact that most NBA players are likely substantially heavier than their listed weights anyways, I don't know that he's coming into the league just over-powering everyone.Comment
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