NBA Draft 2019

[jeebs9]

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White has talent, but his court vision is awful. No way he ever transitions into a combo or big-point even though he has that skill set. Hangs on to the ball, always looks to shoot first.. I'm just not that impressed as of now.

Now if all you are looking for is a guy who can come in and give you some scoring off the bench, he could develop into a great asset for that. But I'm not drafting for that in the lottery. That was something similar I said about Monk too, they just don't impact games enough to warrant that high of a pick.

Throw Cam in there too. He keeps doing something really good... And then...is out for lunch for a few.

[georgiafan]

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Throw Cam in there too. He keeps doing something really good... And then...is out for lunch for a few.

I don’t know what to make out of Cam, but it seems like all the games I watch he just doesn’t really do anything. If he wasn’t playing 3rd wheel seems like it would be much easier to grade him.


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[ehh]

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Forget the lottery with Reddish, I'm not sure I'd take him unless I'm choosing 25th or later and you're at the point where the draft is a crap shoot anyway.

The kid can't play. At the college level, he's a homeless man's Kevin Knox. He's putting up numbers at Duke that Knox is putting up in the NBA as a rookie (it ain't pretty). Knox was at least somewhat efficient at UK. Reddish is putting up historically bad efficiency numbers for a projected lottery pick.

In 15 of his games this year (more than half) he's shot under 30% from the floor. He's a 6'8" "shooter" who gets a ton of good looks playing alongside Barrett and Zion. If you can't excel in that situation I'm not sure where you can. If he was at another school he'd look even worse since defenses would be able to focus more on him. He can't get the rack well. He has more turnovers than assists. He's a subpar rebounder and a non-factor on defense.

There have been a handful of guys like him over the years (Josh Selby, BJ Mullens, Skal Labissiere, Samardo Samuels, etc.) who were seen as top 10 picks preseason and then the shine wore off real quick once we saw them in college. I just don't see it with Reddish. He's not an NBA player. Maybe with a few years in the G-League he'll turn into a rotation piece when was 23-25 years old but I'm not wasting a Top 20 pick on a guy like him. Maybe a pro team can fix his shot. There's no way he's contributing to an NBA team next season.

[jeebs9]

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I don’t know what to make out of Cam, but it seems like all the games I watch he just doesn’t really do anything. If he wasn’t playing 3rd wheel seems like it would be much easier to grade him.


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Agree.... I want people to see the 3 shots he made in the UNC game. I'm trying to clip them together. He makes some very brilliant shots. And other times he looks like utter ****.

Forget the lottery with Reddish, I'm not sure I'd take him unless I'm choosing 25th or later and you're at the point where the draft is a crap shoot anyway.

The kid can't play. At the college level, he's a homeless man's Kevin Knox. He's putting up numbers at Duke that Knox is putting up in the NBA as a rookie (it ain't pretty). Knox was at least somewhat efficient at UK. Reddish is putting up historically bad efficiency numbers for a projected lottery pick.

In 15 of his games this year (more than half) he's shot under 30% from the floor. He's a 6'8" "shooter" who gets a ton of good looks playing alongside Barrett and Zion. If you can't excel in that situation I'm not sure where you can. If he was at another school he'd look even worse since defenses would be able to focus more on him. He can't get the rack well. He has more turnovers than assists. He's a subpar rebounder and a non-factor on defense.

There have been a handful of guys like him over the years (Josh Selby, BJ Mullens, Skal Labissiere, Samardo Samuels, etc.) who were seen as top 10 picks preseason and then the shine wore off real quick once we saw them in college. I just don't see it with Reddish. He's not an NBA player. Maybe with a few years in the G-League he'll turn into a rotation piece when was 23-25 years old but I'm not wasting a Top 20 pick on a guy like him. Maybe a pro team can fix his shot. There's no way he's contributing to an NBA team next season.

I feel as though this is going to be our war for the next 10 years lol.

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[ehh]

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I feel as though this is going to be our war for the next 10 years lol.

It won't take a decade to reach its resolution.

Knox vs Reddish

Their games aren't identical but they're pretty similar. Knox is bigger and longer. Reddish is a bit more skilled but both have underwhelming skillsets. More than anything, their weaknesses are similar. Struggle finishing, don't have a great first step, very streaky shooters, really struggle in traffic. Neither is a playmaker or even decent passer. Both are poor rebounders but Knox was better. Reddish at least isn't a dreadful defender like Knox.

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Knox shot a respectable 51% from 2-pt range; Reddish at sub 40% is appalling. Knox shot 9% higher from the floor than Reddish. Reddish is under 50 TS%.

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Things that scare me even more with Reddish:
1. He was supposed to be a great shooter. Knox wasn't.
2. He's only 20 days younger than Knox, granted age is often times overrated when scouting.
3. Givony's tweet that was shared a few weeks back analyzing Reddish's numbers. It'd be a small miracle if Cam became a solid pro.

Knox was thought to be a late lottery pick until late in the process. 13-16 in a bunch of mocks. The kid isn't an NBA player right now; he's terrible and shouldn't be in a rotation but the Knicks are tanking and developing. But he is completely overwhelmed on the court. Reddish is a poor man's Knox. I don't think it's unreasonable to say he should go in the 20-30 range.

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[KG]

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Coby White is such an awkward athlete which makes him hard to defend. I think he has the base for being a good, but not spectacular NBA player.

I don't know what to think of Reddish. He's got the tools to be a really good player but there's just something off with him. I've heard Rudy Gay comparisons but he's not the athlete Gay was in his younger days. Maybe the same "drifter" mentality though.

[jeebs9]

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Coby White is such an awkward athlete which makes him hard to defend. I think he has the base for being a good, but not spectacular NBA player.

I don't know what to think of Reddish. He's got the tools to be a really good player but there's just something off with him. I've heard Rudy Gay comparisons but he's not the athlete Gay was in his younger days. Maybe the same "drifter" mentality though.

Again just doesn't do it for me. Sadly I'd take Tre Jones before him (that's because I'm a defensive guy). They are both the same for me (in strength and weakness).

https://youtu.be/HsEkB3dLGx4

It won't take a decade to reach its resolution.

Knox vs Reddish

Their games aren't identical but they're pretty similar. Knox is bigger and longer. Reddish is a bit more skilled but both have underwhelming skillsets. More than anything, their weaknesses are similar. Struggle finishing, don't have a great first step, very streaky shooters, really struggle in traffic. Neither is a playmaker or even decent passer. Both are poor rebounders but Knox was better. Reddish at least isn't a dreadful defender like Knox.

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Knox shot a respectable 51% from 2-pt range; Reddish at sub 40% is appalling. Knox shot 9% higher from the floor than Reddish. Reddish is under 50 TS%.

Tankathon's Statistical Analysis

Knox


Reddish



Things that scare me even more with Reddish:
1. He was supposed to be a great shooter. Knox wasn't.
2. He's only 20 days younger than Knox, granted age is often times overrated when scouting.
3. Givony's tweet that was shared a few weeks back analyzing Reddish's numbers. It'd be a small miracle if Cam became a solid pro.

Knox was thought to be a late lottery pick until late in the process. 13-16 in a bunch of mocks. The kid isn't an NBA player right now; he's terrible and shouldn't be in a rotation but the Knicks are tanking and developing. But he is completely overwhelmed on the court. Reddish is a poor man's Knox. I don't think it's unreasonable to say he should go in the 20-30 range.

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Hahahahahaha Your right though. It will take much less. I think being 3rd wheel is his problem right now. Nice break down though.

I think Cam is better than Knox.

I thought Harrison Barnes was the next Marvin Williams lol

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[49UNCFan]

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Tre Jones has nowhere near the potential of Coby White.

I don't think you all realize Coby makes our offense go. He's the only one that create his own shot. Without Coby Carolina wouldn't be top 15

[KG]

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Again just doesn't do it for me. Sadly I'd take Tre Jones before him (that's because I'm a defensive guy). They are both the same for me (in strength and weakness).

https://youtu.be/HsEkB3dLGx4Hahahahahaha Your right though. It will take much less. I think being 3rd wheel is his problem right now. Nice break down though.

I think Cam is better than Knox.

I thought Harrison Barnes was the next Marvin Williams lol

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I want no parts of Tre Jones. Good on ball defender but he’s a 2nd round player to me who will spend at least the next 1-2 years in the D/G League.


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[jeebs9]

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I want no parts of Tre Jones. Good on ball defender but he’s a 2nd round player to me who will spend at least the next 1-2 years in the D/G League.


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I'm 100% sure that's exactly what going to happen to him. But if they go deep like I said with Coby White. He could work himself into the bottom of the first round. Tyus and him have literally the opposite games. But both are floor manager.

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[jeebs9]

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Tre Jones has nowhere near the potential of Coby White.

I don't think you all realize Coby makes our offense go. He's the only one that create his own shot. Without Coby Carolina wouldn't be top 15

Never said that. I'm saying both are on the same boat. Yes White is 6'5. But he's nothing special on defense. Tre isn't anything special on offense. I see most calling White a SG. At least 4 mocks have him as a SG. He's tall and he's quick with a decent jumper. I still hold that he needs to prove a lot this month.

And if you want to enter the long term like Ehh and I have. Your more than welcome to qoute me a few years from saying I told you so lol

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[49UNCFan]

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They're not on the same level . White's game transitions to the NBA. Nobody is drafting a 6'0 defender these days. They called Westbrook a SG also alot of those analyst are wrong. White has learned to use his quickness already at a freshman and how to play at certain speeds that's tremendous growth. He's an above average finisher and can create his shot with the best. He's has a Jamal Murray ceiling.

[jeebs9]

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They're not on the same level . White's game transitions to the NBA. Nobody is drafting a 6'0 defender these days. They called Westbrook a SG also alot of those analyst are wrong. White has learned to use his quickness already at a freshman and how to play at certain speeds that's tremendous growth. He's an above average finisher and can create his shot with the best. He's has a Jamal Murray ceiling.

Murray was shooter in college is still a shooter. Murray doesn't do a lot dribble creation. They create a lot of their looks with Jokic on dribble hand off. Unless I'm wrong those are very different players in my opinion.

I always thought Westbrook was a PG. He just needed to learn the position.

Isn't Tre like 6'2 or 6'3?

You really think Coby is a top ten talent. Then so be it man. We'll find out.

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[ojandpizza]

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Tre Jones has nowhere near the potential of Coby White.

I don't think you all realize Coby makes our offense go. He's the only one that create his own shot. Without Coby Carolina wouldn't be top 15

I would agree with this, I’m just not sure I agree with it translating to the next level. Coby can get his own shot, but so can nearly everyone else in the NBA. If Jones can turn into a Pat Beverly type with his defensive motor, and White tops out as a JR Smith type, Tre is going to be the more valuable NBA player.. not to mention Tre just works hard, does his job, doesn’t matter if he’s the 5th option on the floor. Which is something I’m not sure we’ll see with White.

I wouldn’t draft either of them in the top 10. But Tre would at least intrigue me once it got to the point where all the “sure things” were off the board. You can never go wrong with a plus level defensive guard off your bench.. see Delly a few years back, likely one of the worst players in the league providing value in a finals series against Steph Curry.

I don’t know if many teams reach to take a scorer like Coby unless they just desperately need a scorer or think he can turn into some Booker/Beal type of scoring threat.


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[ojandpizza]

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I think Cam, and Knox for that matter, will eventually be ok.. I think both are substantially better than a player like James Young, which is why he’s not in the league. I don’t see that future for them.

“Open” shots or not there is something to be said about going from a high volume, high usage player to someone who doesn’t get a lot of touches. We see a lot of rookies go through that, and Cam is similar while playing at Duke. I think it’s something he’ll have to grow and adjust to. I think he’s likely a much better scorer/shooter than he’s shown here in year 1.

Definitely not a top 5 pick like projected before the season. But I do think he’s still a first round pick. And I do think he would probably still be a lottery guy seeing him on a team where he was “the guy”. To me, his positioning in the draft will determine what teams see from him in his draft workouts.


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