2018-19 Transaction Thread

[Smallville102001]

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https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/30/trade-rumors-news-updates-anthony-davis-pelicans-lakers

[Majingir]

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Lets say all the talk is true and Davis 100% is going to LA no matter what.

Which team would be best off trading for at best 2 playoff pushes?

And a team like Celtics, lets say regardless what happens with Kyrie we see Celtics get Davis. What would Celtics look like in 20-21 with no Davis, and some of their top young guys are all gone because of the trade?

Bucks I think could actually be better off going all in for Davis. Only thing is that they don't have valuable trading pieces. They have Giannis for 3 more years before he likely leaves, give him 2 years of a legit finals push.

[Themayorofawsometown]

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Smart. If you're losing AD you might as well blow it up. Wonder if Jrue's $26m annual contract is immovable.

In context Jrue isnt really even a bad contract. Big yes but it certainly isn't immovable and I'd love to see Pat try to dump one of our trash contracts to get Jrue

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[georgiafan]

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Lets say all the talk is true and Davis 100% is going to LA no matter what.

Which team would be best off trading for at best 2 playoff pushes?

And a team like Celtics, lets say regardless what happens with Kyrie we see Celtics get Davis. What would Celtics look like in 20-21 with no Davis, and some of their top young guys are all gone because of the trade?

Bucks I think could actually be better off going all in for Davis. Only thing is that they don't have valuable trading pieces. They have Giannis for 3 more years before he likely leaves, give him 2 years of a legit finals push.

Am I the only one that doesn't think the Celtics have a good offer to make for AD? I don't see anyway they can make the trade without adding Tatum and even then you gotta add 2 or 3 more pieces to it. Just about all the 1st round picks look to be around mid 1st rounders. They cant add Morris or Rozier to the trade. I'm not sure what value Brown has anymore and he will be needing a new deal soon. If they trade Tatum for AD and sign Irving then all of a sudden your not a young team with a lot of future assets.

[ojandpizza]

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Why not get some one this offseason to go with James and than next offseason go and get AD. Than you could have a big 3 and on top of that with the rest of this year and next year being over I think Kuz will be a all star by than. Now you got your self a big 4.

They can't afford to have LeBron + a max next year + another max the next year though.. The only reason this works out for them is A.) Get Davis now and gut the entire roster at the end of the year to afford a 3rd guy ,or B.) Sign someone else this off-season and then trade for Davis to land his bird rights under his current contract.

They can't afford a max this off-season and then outright sign Davis under what his new contract will be the next off-season. Especially not while keeping anyone else's contracts on the books. And if that's the case why not just trade them now?

[23]

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You already know Luke Walton is gone as soon as the season is over.

[ojandpizza]

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Am I the only one that doesn't think the Celtics have a good offer to make for AD. I don't see anyway they can make the trade without adding Tatum and even then you gotta add 2 or 3 more pieces to it. Just about all the 1st round picks look to be around mid 1st rounders. They cant add Morris or Rozier to the trade. I'm not sure what value Brown has anymore and he will be needing a new deal soon. If they trade Tatum for AD and sign Irving then all of a sudden your not a young team with a lot of future assets.

All the talk about how bad the Lakers trade package is and I think Boston would have less to offer this off-season. They do have the picks, but with the restrictions on them they might not even end up as that great of a pick. Biggest trade chip was the Kings pick because it was believed to be a guaranteed top 3, but they are fighting for a playoff spot and still pursuing trades to land a star this season.

With Rozier off the table, Morris off the table, Grizz and Clippers picks protected in a manner that could wind up with those not even being lottery picks, and not conveyed until 2021. Pelicans getting rid of the whole team likely means they aren't wanting Hayward, Celtics most likely wouldn't trade Tatum AND Brown and if they did it would still take Smart, Baynes or some unwanted piece to match the salaries. All with uncertainty around whether Davis would stay or not stay, even if the rumors are false it's a risk.

[Smallville102001]

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They can't afford to have LeBron + a max next year + another max the next year though.. The only reason this works out for them is A.) Get Davis now and gut the entire roster at the end of the year to afford a 3rd guy ,or B.) Sign someone else this off-season and then trade for Davis to land his bird rights under his current contract.

They can't afford a max this off-season and then outright sign Davis under what his new contract will be the next off-season. Especially not while keeping anyone else's contracts on the books. And if that's the case why not just trade them now?

Well I think they are close to being able to get 2 max guys. So even if you cant get two max guys why not get some one who is really good but maybe will not be a max guy this offseason yet and than get AD next offseason? Or get a max player this offseason and than between next season and the summer of 2020 add a lot of deapth? Than you could have James another star and a lot of deapth and Kuz maybe being an allstar by than. Now you could have a big 3 of James, Kuz and another star and a really deep team to. If you trade to get Davis now it may be James and Davis with a lot of crap around them. Now you could spend a lot to get deapth in the offseason has they may have around 20 million or so still but than you are only going to have a big 2 and deapth instead of a big 3 and deapth or maybe sort of like a big 3 with no deapth instead of a big 3 and deapth.

[georgiafan]

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Dedmon to the 76ers rumors and it makes a lot of sense its basically either Fultz or Patton and Kork. The Hawks can't trade for Muscala and the 76ers need Chandler. He would give them a huge upgrade at Backup C and he is a solid shooter. I would be happy taking the two scrub players and getting a 2nd round pick or two.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/30/18203828/dewayne-dedmon-atlanta-hawks-nba-trade-rumors-interest-philadelphia-76ers-deadline

[ojandpizza]

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Well I think they are close to being able to get 2 max guys. So even if you cant get two max guys why not get some one who is really good but maybe will not be a max guy this offseason yet and than get AD next offseason? Or get a max player this offseason and than between next season and the summer of 2020 add a lot of deapth? Than you could have James another star and a lot of deapth and Kuz maybe being an allstar by than. Now you could have a big 3 of James, Kuz and another star and a really deep team to. If you trade to get Davis now it may be James and Davis with a lot of crap around them. Now you could spend a lot to get deapth in the offseason has they may have around 20 million or so still but than you are only going to have a big 2 and deapth instead of a big 3 and deapth or maybe sort of like a big 3 with no deapth instead of a big 3 and deapth.

If they get someone who is just "good" not a star and Davis goes elsewhere it's a big loss. If they plan to get a star this off-season and none are available or wanting to join a what would be a still rebuilding team if not for LeBron it's a big loss.

They want to win a chip, otherwise they wouldn't have have made all the moves they've made to even get to this point. Kuz is a good scorer, but if that's your 2nd best player you're never getting past Golden State. Saying he COULD be an all-star doesn't change the reality of what he is. Goran Dragic is an all-star, just having that title doesn't really mean much. Having "James, someone, and Kuz" is not a big 3.

It still all comes down to money. Adding a star, keeping all the young core, and adding some quality depth is a good plan in a hypothetical world. But in a landscape where guys like Otto Porter, Tristan Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Delly, Tyler Johnson, Evan Fornier are getting thrown super-star money that means Lonzo, Kuz, Ingram, Zubac, Hart, are going to get those same deals (bigger deals) coming their way.

You can't keep signing depth/stars when you already have all those players under contract. There is no free money to work with. If you want two stars, if you want more quality depth, part of the core is out. If you want the young core, well you want 3rd place at best basically.

It's nice to believe all young players will just pan out. The odds of all of them panning out however are slim. Especially since they need it to happen over the next 2-3 years rather than at their peak/prime. And the longer you wait the less value they have. 2 years from now if Kuzma is still just a decent scorer, Hart is still just a solid back up no longer can you trade them for a star, and you've overpaid to keep them. Not saying the Lakers need to ditch them all in order to try and win this season or something, but you'd be a fool to believe they want to be average over the course of LeBron's 4 years there. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed him.

[ojandpizza]

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I mean the sole reason they have Rob and Magic there now is to build a great team back in LAL. If not for them they would still be waiting on the young core and being too good to make the lottery, too bad to win a playoff series, with a roster full of overpaid youth and/or Mozgov like contracts. I see all these Lakers fans upset they moved DLo, that trade landed them Kuzma and the type of cap space that enabled them to add LeBron James and possible another superstar.. DLo is having a good year, but they are making that same move and similar moves with the guys now 100 times out of 100. And that is the same reason they will move at least 1 of these other guys as well.

[Vni]

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If they get someone who is just "good" not a star and Davis goes elsewhere it's a big loss. If they plan to get a star this off-season and none are available or wanting to join a what would be a still rebuilding team if not for LeBron it's a big loss.

They want to win a chip, otherwise they wouldn't have have made all the moves they've made to even get to this point. Kuz is a good scorer, but if that's your 2nd best player you're never getting past Golden State. Saying he COULD be an all-star doesn't change the reality of what he is. Goran Dragic is an all-star, just having that title doesn't really mean much. Having "James, someone, and Kuz" is not a big 3.

It still all comes down to money. Adding a star, keeping all the young core, and adding some quality depth is a good plan in a hypothetical world. But in a landscape where guys like Otto Porter, Tristan Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Delly, Tyler Johnson, Evan Fornier are getting thrown super-star money that means Lonzo, Kuz, Ingram, Zubac, Hart, are going to get those same deals (bigger deals) coming their way.

You can't keep signing depth/stars when you already have all those players under contract. There is no free money to work with. If you want two stars, if you want more quality depth, part of the core is out. If you want the young core, well you want 3rd place at best basically.

It's nice to believe all young players will just pan out. The odds of all of them panning out however are slim. Especially since they need it to happen over the next 2-3 years rather than at their peak/prime. And the longer you wait the less value they have. 2 years from now if Kuzma is still just a decent scorer, Hart is still just a solid back up no longer can you trade them for a star, and you've overpaid to keep them. Not saying the Lakers need to ditch them all in order to try and win this season or something, but you'd be a fool to believe they want to be average over the course of LeBron's 4 years there. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed him.

Made some good points OJ.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Lakers aren’t a club built specifically for player development, what else is new.

[Caveman24]

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I mean the sole reason they have Rob and Magic there now is to build a great team back in LAL. If not for them they would still be waiting on the young core and being too good to make the lottery, too bad to win a playoff series, with a roster full of overpaid youth and/or Mozgov like contracts. I see all these Lakers fans upset they moved DLo, that trade landed them Kuzma and the type of cap space that enabled them to add LeBron James and possible another superstar.. DLo is having a good year, but they are making that same move and similar moves with the guys now 100 times out of 100. And that is the same reason they will move at least 1 of these other guys as well.

Lakers had pick 28, the narrative that the DLo trade gave us Kuzma is flat out wrong. Unless you telling me the Nets 100%(they wasn’t) going draft Kuzma, he was coming to LA either way at literally the next pick.

The Nets trade allowed us to get Hart/Thomas Bryant more then anything.

[ojandpizza]

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Lakers had pick 28, the narrative that the DLo trade gave us Kuzma is flat out wrong. Unless you telling me the Nets 100%(they wasn’t) going draft Kuzma, he was coming to LA either way at literally the next pick.

The Nets trade allowed us to get Hart/Thomas Bryant more then anything.

idk who they would or would have drafted but he was drafted by the Nets and traded to the Lakers so I'm just telling it how it happened. Doesn't change the main point of my post that shipping out DLo has played a major role in allowing them the space to add LeBron and possibly someone else. Throw Hart into that mix as well then, the trade at least aided a small part in the Lakers getting Kuz, Hart, LeBron, and a shot at another max player... That's still a trade you make 100 out of 100 times.

Hollinger's estimated wins added as DLo ranking out about the same level as Enes Kanter and Lou Williams in terms of wins added to a team over a replacement level palyer.. In other words, with him and a cap mess before they started making all the moves the Lakers wouldn't be making the playoffs this year but were a 3 seed with a healthy LeBron and a decent shot at star number 2 incoming.