2018-19 Transaction Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Champs are penned in...at this point its just hoping to be entertained on the way there, lol

Anyway,

It seems like the trades that have this much lead up never actually go down or reportedly "fall apart at the last minute"....then a day later AD gets traded to the Bucks outta nowhere.

I could live with this. I expect that we've at least called New Orleans, but unless they want more established players rather than prospects, I don't see any way he ends up in Milwaukee.

I'd bet on the Lakers if a trade is going to go down this week, but I do kinda think a darkhorse team will come out of nowhere and at least make a pursuit of it. If New Orleans prefers established guys, I think teams like Portland and Washington should at least give them a call. I don't think Washington has enough to get him even if New Orleans loved Beal, but if for example they like McCollum a lot, Portland has enough young prospects and all of their future picks that I think they could give New Orleans something to think about (again, assuming that the Pelicans would prefer an established guy rather than going super young and rebuilding completely).

The fact that he has 1.5 years left on his deal makes it more likely that someone gambles on him IMO because if they trade for him now and finish the year feeling like they haven't made progress in convincing him to stay, they can potentially flip him to the Lakers, Celtics, or Knicks and recoup a decent amount of the costs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think it's happening. We should find out soon.

Bron knew what he was doing when he was asking where Woj, Shams, etc are at, lol.

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Bron knew what he was doing when he was asking where Woj, Shams, etc are at, lol.

Actually a few bball players were saying the same thing

Basically referring to how boring the Superbowl was.

The Mcten reply wasn't a diss it was a shot at the Rams/pats

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[areobee401]

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Please like my sport tweets were out in full force last night. Some baseball people actually had the nerve to let them fly when their two biggest free agents remain unsigned.

[King_B_Mack]

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If Lonzo, Kuz, Ingram are all 3 out they overpaid. Even losing just Lonzo I think is going to be a blow for them. Lakers will definitively be all over the Melo, Wes Mathews, Trevor Ariza, etc buyout market to round out the bench, which won't be all that bad.

As good as Kuzma has been as a scoring threat if Davis is the return it makes the most sense to move him. With Bron/Davis at the 3/4 or 4/5 Kuzma likely isn't a starter. They already start Ingram at the 2 and play him anywhere 1-3, and his defense and play-making ability is much better than Kuzma's even if his scoring is lagging way behind.

How is that an overpay? The Lakers draft picks will be worth dick if they've got Bron and AD, it's especially worth nothing to NO if they have a roster that consists of Bron, AD and one or two of Kuzma, Ingram and Ball. The three of them together STILL aren't quite worth one of Anthony Davis, but since you're never going to get back full, even value for a top 5-10 player you try to get as close to it as you can. That's not even remotely close to an overpay for LA to land a 25 year old superstar who still hasn't even hit his prime yet or at the very least is at the beginning of it.

[ojandpizza]

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How is that an overpay? The Lakers draft picks will be worth dick if they've got Bron and AD, it's especially worth nothing to NO if they have a roster that consists of Bron, AD and one or two of Kuzma, Ingram and Ball. The three of them together STILL aren't quite worth one of Anthony Davis, but since you're never going to get back full, even value for a top 5-10 player you try to get as close to it as you can. That's not even remotely close to an overpay for LA to land a 25 year old superstar who still hasn't even hit his prime yet or at the very least is at the beginning of it.

I'm not necessarily saying the Pelicans should take less, I'm just that it's too much from the Lakers side. Lonzo/Ingram/Kuz still fall a good chunk short of matching salary wise, so you're also looking at probably 2 more pieces just to match the money. Kuz's contract is only like 1 mil a year right now. 3 starters, 2 role players, multiple firsts is too much for any team to give up for any player, even if it's a star with 0 injury history which Davis isn't.

If we are being realistic, Kuzma has outplayed just about any other player rumored in offers this year. He's been better than Tatum. I know we are basing trade value on how he and Brown looked in last years playoffs, but it's becoming a smaller sample size the more time goes on. And not just speaking on his per game outlook, but the way he has played with guys out. He's inconsistent, but so is any young player/pick, but he has zero issue with taking on the lead scoring role.

Lonzo is legitimately a first team all defense guard. He's top 10 among guards in rebounds, assists, steals, blocks.. Nobody will mistake him for a dominant scorer, but he makes **** happen and has a feel for the game that the Lakers would instantly miss. He's still learning when to be aggressive and when not to be, but on the other end of the ball he has it figured out. He's had monster games for them this year where his impact was undoubtedly the most on the floor. Game against the Hornets for example where h had a triple double, held Kemba to 0-9 while he was on him, and everyone he defended in total 1-15. He also had a 3 game stretch where players he defended shot a combined 5-26. And his size allows him to switch 1-3 as well.

Ingram's scoring is still lacking where it was expected to be, but he does play better when he is put into the role of the lead guy when players are out. He's played basically all positions for them 1-4 at some point this season, now starting as a 6'9 SG. Good defender, decent secondary ball handler. He also averages 21/6/4 per 36 in minutes where LeBron is out or on the bench. So his ability to be more of the guy is there, just like the others he's just young and it's not consistent yet.

Lakers would be losing two 20 point capable players, a triple double threat point guard, two good defenders, and would have to rework their starting line-up to accommodate 3 new starters, possibly 4 if Davis were to move to center. Circumstances here are a bit different because they have LeBron, and pairing him with Davis gives them one of the best 1-2 punches in the league and they no longer have to worry about "waiting" on those young pieces to reach some potential that may/may not even be there.

But if there were no LeBron, and there wasn't a shot to make a deep run now, there is no way they give up all 3 of those guys plus depth for Davis, or likely any player in the league. Again, the Pelicans should ask for all 3, I'm not blaming them because they won't get a top 5 player back from anyone. I'm just saying from the Lakers side they are giving up more than they would be getting back, though come playoff time it might give them a better shot at winning right now.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2018-19 Transaction Thread

There’s no such thing as the Lakers offering “too much” when trying to trade for a big name FA, especially considering how they’ve gotten others significant impact players in the past.

No such thing at all.

You want an elite, Top 5-6 player who hasn’t even entered their prime, you pay the price and the price ain’t cheap nor should it be. That’s even more prevalent in this case considering which direction the Lakers will be headed(up)and which direction the Pelicans will be going(down into the pits of mediocrity).

You can spin and claim to be realistic all you want but in this case, we know which team will be reaping the rewards of this deal and it won’t be NO.

[areobee401]

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Another classic case of over valuing the young talent on the team you have a rooting interested in. Happens to the best of us (guilty). Chances are the true value lies a notch or two below where you put them.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Long post about Lakers assets

I hear ya, but if the Lakers aren't willing to offer all that, I'm confident the Pelicans can find someone that is willing to offer roughly that same value.

[ehh]

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The only dude who has any real value there is Ingram, and I'm not even that high on him. Kuz can score but what else? He's also about to be 24 years old. Lonzo, man who the heck knows with that guy but I sure as hell wouldn't let Lonzo Ball be the hold up in me acquiring AD. A point guard who shoots 41% from the stripe and 32% from three. He's basically a guy you take a flyer on at this point and hope for the best.

I don't know what Ingram and Ball can be but I know what AD is. Lonzo is also going to be marginalized the entire time LeBron is a Laker. It's oil and water. Might as well move on.

[illwill10]

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I wouldn't mind them including Ball in there. You have to pay the cost for a superstar player. Especially since I believe if the Lakers young core can blossom into star-ish/key role players, it will take them a few years to develop.
But I hope they have a plan for a PG. They can't rely just on Rondo especially since he isn't fully healthy. Wouldn't help seeing them trying to sign a old PG that is knocking on retirements door for a backup PG

[cima]

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Just based on his career, I expect LeBron to play more PG now, even though that's not what Magic wants. But if Ball is gone and they're not acquiring another PG in return, then Bron I'm sure will split minutes at PG with Rondo, Lance, and maybe even BI if they somehow hold on to him.

[King_B_Mack]

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So who's responsible for leaking this one to Woj?

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Beyond the Lakers and Knicks, the Pelicans have been made aware of "a handful" of teams that Anthony Davis would be willing to sign long-term with upon a trade, league sources tell ESPN. Boston isn't included on that list.

[Majingir]

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So who's responsible for leaking this one to Woj?

I wonder what other teams that could be?

[ehh]

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Keep our name out of these rumors, please.