2019 Offseason Thread

**jeebs9** · 07-10-2019, 11:00 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by CMH

Short of removing free agency, I don't know.

Players don't care about making more money so that's not an incentive.

The ability to lock a player into more years is actually anti-player so the players don't want that. Even Paul George took a 4-year deal last year with OKC instead of the 5 they could have offered him.

If you add restrictions, you're telling players they can't control their own destinies which is also anti-player and the union would never agree to it.

Maybe instead of the League focusing on what players are doing to control their destinies, the League should seriously look into why players don't want to stay with their teams. Maybe the problem isn't free agency but everything that leads up to a player wanting out of a situation.

No one wants to be on a bad team forever. Bad teams need to start looking at themselves instead of blaming the players for not being loyal. And fans need to stop being angry when players use their ability to be free agents instead of wasting away their prime years in a bad situation.

Very well said!

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

Wait, what did Silver say?

Some of the rules need to change. I don't remember the exact quote.

Spoiler

That what he said.
"My sense in the room today was, especially when it comes to free agency and the rules around it, that we've got work to do,"

Agree with CMH. That's a tough place to be. But man... I can't say teams haven't tried to give themselves a chance. What is stopping Giannis from forcing a trade in a few years? Or just any player. And I get the other side that teams trade players for the teams best interest. I think we were lucky this year. That the NBA is going to be wide open for the first time in years.

And I know I'm one of few here. But it sucks that PG signed a 4-year Max deal. And left after only one year. Because he had a conversation with another player who was a free agent. He really gave the Thunder 2 years.

**georgiafan** · 07-10-2019, 11:04 AM

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Boston Celtics forward Guerschon Yabusele - the team’s No. 16 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft - will be waived, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

per chris haynes

**DieHardYankee26** · 07-10-2019, 11:05 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by CMH

Kawhi can't take the supermax unless he opts into that third year.

This is a great example of how these players do NOT care about more money. We care about $50mm or whatever because it's ****ing $50mm. But when you already make $160mm, why should an extra $50mm persuade me when I should be good for life with what I already got? It's not going to make these dudes billionaires. It's just extra money to put in the bank and still be a millionaire.

Kawhi doesn't care about the supermax is what I'm getting at. He cares about winning and he's putting the onus on the Clippers to also care while he's wearing a uniform.

I thought almost the opposite. 10 year max is the same percentage as the supermax, this basically sets him up for a 4 year supermax wherever he wants it in 2 years.

**The Chef** · 07-10-2019, 11:07 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by J_Posse

Quitter was bailing on the Raptors no matter what. Just be thankful that the Raptors got the better end of the deal (only losing one 1st round pick and one young asset) and won a championship.

They still have Pascal, O.G. and will have ton of cap space to try to fetch a quality free-agent soon.

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Surely it has to get tiresome typing "Quitter" every single time you refer to Kawhi right? I mean it just comes across petty and childish. He left, he forced his way out of San Antonio, I get it.

**CMH** · 07-10-2019, 11:08 AM

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With the Giannis thing. The salary cap kind of helps because not every team in LA and New York can have all of the big free agents. The Clippers, Nets and Lakers can't add anyone else for a couple years. The Knicks can (but will they?). Miami is strapped.

So a guy like Giannis can't just end up on a big market unless he wants to play for the Knicks.

I only mention this in case the concern is all of the big stars will just end up in the major markets.

On another note, if the NBA and the owners actually cared, they would tell ESPN to stop the major market pushes. But I'm not sure the NBA or the owners really really care. They say they care because it's good for publicity. "Wah, my team can't compete against the big markets." But in reality, they make money because ESPN pushes the major markets even when the teams suck (look at Christmas games for example). Until that ends, I don't think the NBA will ever make changes to satisfy the fans of small markets.

I saw a comment online that I think made the most sense. The NBA is not in business for the fans. They are in business for themselves and the owners. And they are quickly becoming in business for the players. The fans are last. Just shut up and watch. That's what they want.

And no Maj, Toronto is NOT a major market. Yes, Toronto is a big city. Yes, it's beautiful. But it's not New York, Los Angeles or Miami.

**CMH** · 07-10-2019, 11:09 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by DieHardYankee26

I thought almost the opposite. 10 year max is the same percentage as the supermax, this basically sets him up for a 4 year supermax wherever he wants it in 2 years.

You're right. I didn't realize he was heading into his 10th year that soon.

I kind of hate the supermax term because it's been thrown around to mean two different things.

There should be the 10 year max and the designated max. Supermax is confusing to me.

edit: One note is if he plays a third year with the Clippers, he can get a raise of 8% per year. Whereas if he only plays two years, he is capped at 5% raises.

So even with that 10th year in the league, he would be limiting himself.

**Majingir** · 07-10-2019, 11:18 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by CMH

And no Maj, Toronto is NOT a major market. Yes, Toronto is a big city. Yes, it's beautiful. But it's not New York, Los Angeles or Miami.

What's the definition of a major market then? Only cities that count towards US ratings? Because Toronto is borderline top 10 franchise in the league based on franchise worth. After the title win and insane merch sales(which shattered NBA championship merch records) I'm sure they could even be in top 10 after all that. They're right behind Miami and ahead of 76ers.

Not saying they're in top tier with the Lakers/Knicks/Celtics, but definitely next tier down with Mavs,Heat,Rockets.

**jeebs9** · 07-10-2019, 11:23 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by CMH

You're right. I didn't realize he was heading into his 10th year that soon.

I kind of hate the supermax term because it's been thrown around to mean two different things.

There should be the 10 year max and the designated max. Supermax is confusing to me.

edit: One note is if he plays a third year with the Clippers, he can get a raise of 8% per year. Whereas if he only plays two years, he is capped at 5% raises.

So even with that 10th year in the league, he would be limiting himself.

Yeah, I was calling it Max and Super Max. But that's even more of a break down I didn't understand.

**CMH** · 07-10-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Majingir

What's the definition of a major market then? Only cities that count towards US ratings? Because Toronto is borderline top 10 franchise in the league based on franchise worth. After the title win and insane merch sales(which shattered NBA championship merch records) I'm sure they could even be in top 10 after all that. They're right behind Miami and ahead of 76ers.

Not saying they're in top tier with the Lakers/Knicks/Celtics, but definitely next tier down with Mavs,Heat,Rockets.

Haha, I left that in there because I knew you would respond!

Logically, Toronto is a major market. By all the metrics. I get it.

To the players? To ESPN? To the causal fans?

They don't care about Toronto. They don't care that Phoenix is on the come up as a city. They don't care that Orlando is pouring money into improving their situation.

They are not Los Angeles, New York, or Miami. Maybe because you're not from the United States (you're not, right?) you don't understand what those cities mean to people that live here.

**Master Live 013** · 07-10-2019, 11:33 AM

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So which are these changes that would satisfy fans from small markets?

**jfsolo** · 07-10-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Majingir

What's the definition of a major market then? Only cities that count towards US ratings? Because Toronto is borderline top 10 franchise in the league based on franchise worth. After the title win and insane merch sales(which shattered NBA championship merch records) I'm sure they could even be in top 10 after all that. They're right behind Miami and ahead of 76ers.

Not saying they're in top tier with the Lakers/Knicks/Celtics, but definitely next tier down with Mavs,Heat,Rockets.

What you're saying may be factually correct in terms of numbers but if we're honest most players aren't going to see it that way. DeMar was one of those players who bought in all the way, he just didn't have the talent to be the guy to get the team over the top.

Despite all the positives for the franchise, Toronto is always going to have struggle mightily to keep most top tier players there long term. The best thing for them would have been if they had drafted Giannis or Doncic.

**georgiafan** · 07-10-2019, 11:36 AM

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If Kawhi Leonard took a 35% supermax from SAS, he would’ve made $222M over next 5 years.

He’s now set himself up to opt out in 2021 and get his 35% max from LAC. If he does, he’d make $209M over same 5 years (a $13M discount), but lock in an extra year paying him $54M at age 33.

per @AlbertNahmad (cap guy on twitter)

**bigeastbumrush** · 07-10-2019, 11:42 AM

2019 Offseason Thread

https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1148984102252662784?s=21

Possible NBA free agents available in 2021:

Kawhi Leonard
LeBron James
Paul George
Bradley Beal
Blake Griffin
Rudy Gobert
Jrue Holiday
CJ McCollum
Otto Porter
Mike Conley
LaMarcus Aldridge
DeMar DeRozan
Andre Drummond
Steven Adams
Gordon Hayward

Also possible Giannis gets there

I’m gonna need Rudy to leave boring Salt Lake City and come to the bright lights of NY.

**bigeastbumrush** · 07-10-2019, 11:49 AM

2019 Offseason Thread

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1148993713156157440?s=21

Brooklyn Nets’ four-year, $164 million pact with Kevin Durant is actually a 3+1 that contains a player option, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

**JazzMan** · 07-10-2019, 11:52 AM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by bigeastbumrush

https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status...252662784?s=21

Possible NBA free agents available in 2021:

Kawhi Leonard
LeBron James
Paul George
Bradley Beal
Blake Griffin
Rudy Gobert
Jrue Holiday
CJ McCollum
Otto Porter
Mike Conley
LaMarcus Aldridge
DeMar DeRozan
Andre Drummond
Steven Adams
Gordon Hayward

Also possible Giannis gets there

I’m gonna need Rudy to leave boring Salt Lake City and come to the bright lights of NY.

Rudy getting that supermaxxxxxx, good luck getting him to NY

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