2019 Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Renouncing him would give up his bird rights, but singing him after they've already signed other players wouldn't, or would it?

They can't afford 2 max contracts without renouncing him. I'm pretty sure you give up bird rights for good, doesn't make sense to be able to give them up and then just use them anyway, but I'm not 100% on that.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I guess I'm a bit confused on the timing aspect of all this. DLo's contract is up this year, is there any sort of rule that says he has to be signed or renounced first? Like before signing other free agents? Because if not couldn't they sign their two guys and then offer DLo his new deal using bird rights?

He has a cap hold of $21 million. If they renounce the cap hold then they can’t go over the cap to re-sign him and therefore can’t sign him in addition to two max guys.


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[NYJets]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Lol, the Atlantic is suddenly the powerhouse division in the east. Except the Knicks.

Maybe let them actually sign someone first?

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

They can't afford 2 max contracts without renouncing him. I'm pretty sure you give up bird rights for good, doesn't make sense to be able to give them up and then just use them anyway, but I'm not 100% on that.

He has a cap hold of $21 million. If they renounce the cap hold then they can’t go over the cap to re-sign him and therefore can’t sign him in addition to two max guys.


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I was missing the part that he had a cap hold, didn't assume that was going to effect their available cap since he will no longer be under contract and signing a new contract..

So how is that any different than having a team option? He's no longer under contract but has a cap hold that prevents them from using money that could theoretically end up being bird rights?

Need to take that out with the next CBA.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Looks like it’s a legit 1st round coming to Atlanta lottery protected for 20,21 and 22. It becomes two 2nd after 22 (per Zach Lowe)


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[NYJets]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I was missing the part that he had a cap hold, didn't assume that was going to effect their available cap since he will no longer be under contract and signing a new contract..

So how is that any different than having a team option? He's no longer under contract but has a cap hold that prevents them from using money that could theoretically end up being bird rights?

Need to take that out with the next CBA.

Everyone with a contract expiring has a cap hold. Point of the bird rights is to give you a chance to keep your own players, not go on a spending spree and then keep your own players

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I was missing the part that he had a cap hold, didn't assume that was going to effect their available cap since he will no longer be under contract and signing a new contract..



So how is that any different than having a team option? He's no longer under contract but has a cap hold that prevents them from using money that could theoretically end up being bird rights?



Need to take that out with the next CBA.

It’s not a team option because they can’t keep him for $21 million if they so choose.

The cap holds are there specifically for the purpose that you’re saying it needs to be taken out for. If there were no cap holds, a team could line up all of their contracts so that they have bird rights for their entire roster and also have the full $109 million salary cap available to sign free agents. So in a world without cap holds, the Warriors could theoretically have lined things up so they could sign Kawhi, Kyrie, and Butler and then re-sign KD, Steph, Klay, and Draymond if they wanted to.


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[jfsolo]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I was missing the part that he had a cap hold, didn't assume that was going to effect their available cap since he will no longer be under contract and signing a new contract..

So how is that any different than having a team option? He's no longer under contract but has a cap hold that prevents them from using money that could theoretically end up being bird rights?

Need to take that out with the next CBA.

Cap holds aren't going anywhere, and they shouldn't. Cap space comes from renouncing players. If teams didn't have to renounce players to create space then they could just double dip and sign players from other teams and then resign their own players as well. This would literally make the Salary Cap null and void. Super team like the Warriors would be the norm.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Dang. Little bit of success and Maj starts throwing punches.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Maj can't throw ****, the division was already that way this year. But don't let us get good...

[Majingir]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Maj can't throw ****, the division was already that way this year. But don't let us get good...

I meant it more like 4 of top 5 teams in east could be from 1 division. Nets were 6 this year, but 42 wins as 6 seed seemed unusually low.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Nets and Cavs sure would make a lot of sense. Cavs need a lot of youth to rebuild and the Nets need to get one of the top prospects in this draft.

5 for 8 and 17 or something along those lines would make me very happy.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Nets and Cavs sure would make a lot of sense. Cavs need a lot of youth to rebuild and the Nets need to get one of the top prospects in this draft.

5 for 8 and 17 or something along those lines would make me very happy.

That’s definitely possible as clearly 6 rookies won’t be drafted. It doesn’t look like 3 or 4 will be traded till all the AD drama is behind so that puts Cavs in a good spot for a trade. Atlanta would likely trade up for Cam or Culver.

I also think maybe Atlanta tries to use the 3 2nds and cap space to move up a few spots. I still wouldn’t rule out a trade down.

[TheFinalEvent97]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I was missing the part that he had a cap hold, didn't assume that was going to effect their available cap since he will no longer be under contract and signing a new contract..

So how is that any different than having a team option? He's no longer under contract but has a cap hold that prevents them from using money that could theoretically end up being bird rights?

Need to take that out with the next CBA.

Its to stop teams becoming ridiculously stacked, for example KD and Klay's contracts expire at the end of this season. Without cap holds the Warriors would have significant cap space to use then re-sign them..

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Its to stop teams becoming ridiculously stacked, for example KD and Klay's contracts expire at the end of this season. Without cap holds the Warriors would have significant cap space to use then re-sign them..

But for a player who hasn’t already earned a max deal it seems a bit unfair to teams who want to keep young players have to use so much to retain them.

I worded my other post a bit weird. I didn’t mean that there shouldn’t be cap holds period, I was more so looking at it along the lines of a player who made 7 mil this year is going have a cap hold of 20 something mil.


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