2019 Offseason Thread

[roadman]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I'm hearing another house story; Middleton bought one in one of the suburbs of Milwaukee.

I know it doesn't mean anything, yet. lol

[ojandpizza]

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So Shams is reporting that Anthony Davis has now narrowed his list down to the Los Angeles Lakers and the New York Knicks.



This dude don't care about winning.

Pairing AD with Bron or presumably KD would make them an instant contender.. so I don’t think that’s accurate


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[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Tony Parker is retiring.

https://theundefeated.com/features/t...tire-from-nba/

Hell of a career

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[King_B_Mack]

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Pairing AD with Bron or presumably KD would make them an instant contender.. so I don’t think that’s accurate


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Yeah there are so many variables that suggest that could go the other way and that it’s likely to not work that way.

First of all I think we’ve seen the last of durable not injured LeBron. Dude is about to be 35 and has already suffered his first major injury since what he had to wear the mask that time? That’s not even touching on the dumpster fire of an organization that he’d be joining. They’ve shown literally no signs that they could put a team around them capable of winning and he’s tying his future to LeBron’s timeline of screw the future moves for a title they may not even have a shot of winning.

Then the Knicks. They’re as trash an organization as the Lakers and Bulls and this infatuation that people seem to have that they’ll do something that they’ve been incapable of doing for like 2 decades continues to be baffling. Again, that’s all before we even get to the fact that Kevin Durant might not even go there. Then what? He’s gonna force his way to the Knicks, get stuck there by himself and be in even worse position than he feels he’s in in New Orleans?

So yeah it’s very accurate. Especially after we just saw what happened yet again to top heavy teams with **** benches.


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[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

Yeah there are so many variables that suggest that could go the other way and that it’s likely to not work that way.

First of all I think we’ve seen the last of durable not injured LeBron. Dude is about to be 35 and has already suffered his first major injury since what he had to wear the mask that time? That’s not even touching on the dumpster fire of an organization that he’d be joining. They’ve shown literally no signs that they could put a team around them capable of winning and he’s tying his future to LeBron’s timeline of screw the future moves for a title they may not even have a shot of winning.

Then the Knicks. They’re as trash an organization as the Lakers and Bulls and this infatuation that people seem to have that they’ll do something that they’ve been incapable of doing for like 2 decades continues to be baffling. Again, that’s all before we even get to the fact that Kevin Durant might not even go there. Then what? He’s gonna force his way to the Knicks, get stuck there by himself and be in even worse position than he feels he’s in in New Orleans?

So yeah it’s very accurate. Especially after we just saw what happened yet again to top heavy teams with **** benches.


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But you saying YOU don’t trust those organizations is not at all the same as saying “he doesn’t care about winning”..

He can’t play the “might get hurt” card. Paul George was hurt, KD was hurt, Kyrie has been hurt, Kawhi missed a playoffs + whole season, he has risk of the best player on whatever team he does to being hurt.

There is no reason to believe Bron is just going to break down because he had a groin strain lol. Maybe you think he’s ready to break down, that’s fine, but just because Davis knows that in any game they play in they will have the best two players on the floor doesn’t make him “not care about winning” for disagreeing with you.

Lakers are mess.. that front office **** doesn’t matter much when you have LeBron and Davis on the court.. and adding LeBron and trading for AD would be the exact definition of “putting a team together capable of winning”.

Knicks argument I get, but I’m under the assumption that they wouldn’t be on his list if he didn’t feel another star was coming. Doesn’t have to be Durant, AD + All-Star is going to win games. He was in the playoff with him and Jrue Holiday and whether the Knicks keep striking out on good role players or not the likelihood of them choosing New York over New Orleans is extremely high.


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[cima]

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I don't really know where to post this because it could go in one of three different threads but KD's injury potentially just completely changed the dynamic of the offseason. The injury looked much worse this time and there's a slow-mo going around of a sprinter who ruptured her achilles and it popped the same way KD's did.

So if he did rupture it, he's not going to play next year or if he does, it won't be until the season is basically over.

So do the NY teams still try and go all in on him if he can't play next year?

Edit: here's the video of the girl. Makes me never want to jump again lol

https://imgur.com/VXG97e4?r

Double Edit: Bob Myers confirmed it was his achilles. Well ****, just like that the NBA has dramatically changed.

[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

Seeing the Warriors struggle due to their lack of depth really makes me think twice about if I want the Lakers to sacrifice all their young players to acquire AD.

It's all fun and games when you're healthy but if one guy goes down, it can end in a flash. I mean we saw it in 2014 with the Heat, we saw it in 2015 with the Cavs, we're seeing it now with GS.

LeBron + AD + another max FA like Kyrie or Jimmy Butler would be great. But if it means losing Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, and Hart to get those 3...not sure it's worth it. Especially when Kyrie/AD/Jimmy Butler aren't exactly the most durable guys, plus LeBron just getting older and older.

This has been my thought for pretty much the past couple months.. but man it would be really nice if AD was a free agent, because signing one of the wing players is redundant and I personally don’t think they should waste their only cap space on Kyrie or Kemba.. would be better spent on 2-3 B level guys IMO.

I still think, keep everyone if you can sign Kawhi or Klay. Both of them are tremendous upgrades, and even with redundancy they can move a piece if necessary for extra depth or something.

If not one of those two, I think maybe trading for AD is the best move. I really don’t think losing all of BI/Kuz/Lonzo and the 4th pick if the only return is AD is the best move for them though. But if they swing a trade for AD they can’t afford a max but should be able to swing a good 2nd tier guy, or maybe a couple starting level/6th man type guys. Re-sign the bird rights guys, and if they are under the luxury tax spend the full MLE which is close to 10 mil this year, and the bi annual since they didn’t use it this past season. They could make a good roster if they right vets think Bron+AD gets them to a competing squad.

The long shot is sign a big name, then trade for AD after.. problem is this guts almost the whole roster.. but if they are somehow able to keep Hart + Kuz in all of that since they are only 1 mil guys, then get the guys with bird rights, then use those two exceptions, then get a couple guys on a min contract for their last runs, that might work out as well.. otherwise if they come in with Bron, AD, Max contract, and all they have left is Wagner and Caruso or something.. not a great starting point IMO.


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[King_B_Mack]

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But you saying YOU don’t trust those organizations is not at all the same as saying “he doesn’t care about winning”..

He can’t play the “might get hurt” card. Paul George was hurt, KD was hurt, Kyrie has been hurt, Kawhi missed a playoffs + whole season, he has risk of the best player on whatever team he does to being hurt.

There is no reason to believe Bron is just going to break down because he had a groin strain lol. Maybe you think he’s ready to break down, that’s fine, but just because Davis knows that in any game they play in they will have the best two players on the floor doesn’t make him “not care about winning” for disagreeing with you.

Lakers are mess.. that front office **** doesn’t matter much when you have LeBron and Davis on the court.. and adding LeBron and trading for AD would be the exact definition of “putting a team together capable of winning”.

Knicks argument I get, but I’m under the assumption that they wouldn’t be on his list if he didn’t feel another star was coming. Doesn’t have to be Durant, AD + All-Star is going to win games. He was in the playoff with him and Jrue Holiday and whether the Knicks keep striking out on good role players or not the likelihood of them choosing New York over New Orleans is extremely high.


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No just putting LeBron and AD on the floor doesn't cancel out the **** show of a front office they would have to deal with that somehow has added even more snake like people to the equation that can't be trusted. Chemistry is a thing.

And I say he doesn't care about winning because if he truly did care about it or at least it was his top priority he wouldn't narrow his list down to 2 teams with the kind of dysfunction at the top that they have. If winning was a top priority why eliminate potentially better situations from the equation just to force your way to these two dumpster fires? Add Philly to the list, a pairing with Embiid in the east could also instantly be a contender. Why not Brooklyn on the list with the young talent and cap space they have? Go through the back channels with Kawhi and put the Raptors on the list and team up with him there? But it's whatever.

[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

This has been my thought for pretty much the past couple months.. but man it would be really nice if AD was a free agent, because signing one of the wing players is redundant and I personally don’t think they should waste their only cap space on Kyrie or Kemba.. would be better spent on 2-3 B level guys IMO.

I still think, keep everyone if you can sign Kawhi or Klay. Both of them are tremendous upgrades, and even with redundancy they can move a piece if necessary for extra depth or something.

If not one of those two, I think maybe trading for AD is the best move. I really don’t think losing all of BI/Kuz/Lonzo and the 4th pick if the only return is AD is the best move for them though. But if they swing a trade for AD they can’t afford a max but should be able to swing a good 2nd tier guy, or maybe a couple starting level/6th man type guys. Re-sign the bird rights guys, and if they are under the luxury tax spend the full MLE which is close to 10 mil this year, and the bi annual since they didn’t use it this past season. They could make a good roster if they right vets think Bron+AD gets them to a competing squad.

The long shot is sing a big name, then trade for AD after.. problem is this guys almost the whole roster.. but if they are somehow able to keep Hart + Kuz in all of that since they are only 1 mil guys, then get the guys with bird rights, then use those two exceptions, then get a couple guys on a min contract for their last runs, that might work out as well.. otherwise if they come in with Bron, AD, Max contract, and all they have left is Wagner and Caruso or something.. not a great starting point IMO.


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Say they keep one of BI/Kuz/Lonzo in an AD trade, then they could likely grab some guys like Redick, Thad Young, Seth Curry, D. Jordan, Brook Lopez, Marcus Morris, Jeremy Lamb, Darren Collison, Ariza, Carroll, Gibson, Ross, Green, Temple, Dedmon, JaVale again, Rozier (if his value went way down), Portis, etc.. They could possibly grab a few of those guys to round out the rotation some.

Then you always have guys on player option contracts who instead of one last big pay day, maybe they take a lesser deal with more years. Examples like Horford, Whiteside, Dragic, Milsap with a team option if Denver doesn’t want to give him 30 mil.. maybe instead of taking that last pay day, they opt out for a bit more money guaranteed over the course of 4 years. Completely realistic option there as well. Though much less likely.

They fill the roster with those type of players, sign a couple of their bird rights guys, get some older cats on minimum deals.. Bron’s boys like Shump, Jeff Green, etc will be available too for those type of deals, even guys like Melo, Noah, J Crawford, Pau Gasol.... I think Klutch sports Nerlens Noel is coming, no sources though just my speculation. After bird rights and min contracts they should still be under the tax, in which case they should have those exceptions available to them as well. If they are over the tax they still have the 5 mil exception and the bi annual too I believe. So those could be used for some of the guys mentioned in the first group, that’s how Milwaukee singed Brook Lopez this year for example.

Lots of options still open if they trade for AD early and therefor can’t get a max after the fact.. they just really need to keep one of those main 3 young guys and not lose all of them and the pick. If they do that their starting point is pretty thin, unless they get something in return with AD in a 3 team swing.

Of the 3 keeping Lonzo might be the best fit with no avenue to adding another good point guard.. but if they kept Kuz+Hart on those stupidly cheap deals, moving out Lonzo, Ingram, 4th pick, and whatever else nearly gets them to AD’s contract. Renounce KCP’s 15 mil cap hold and they should have close to 30-35 mil to round out their roster, plus the 10 mil exception, and 3+ bi-annual exception.


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[ojandpizza]

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No just putting LeBron and AD on the floor doesn't cancel out the **** show of a front office they would have to deal with that somehow has added even more snake like people to the equation that can't be trusted. Chemistry is a thing.



And I say he doesn't care about winning because if he truly did care about it or at least it was his top priority he wouldn't narrow his list down to 2 teams with the kind of dysfunction at the top that they have. If winning was a top priority why eliminate potentially better situations from the equation just to force your way to these two dumpster fires? Add Philly to the list, a pairing with Embiid in the east could also instantly be a contender. Why not Brooklyn on the list with the young talent and cap space they have? Go through the back channels with Kawhi and put the Raptors on the list and team up with him there? But it's whatever.

You can want to go to the team you want to go to and still care about winning. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Having AD and Bron, or AD and KD, or AD and Jimmy, wherever is a playoff team. Easily. You think AD believes he and Bron/KD/Jimmy, wouldn’t knock off Kawhi and Lowry? Please.. He believes he’s the best player in the league, if that’s what he believes he is going to think any of these situations are places he’s going to win with. He’s not worried about how young BK looks, or if Canada is playing well, who the **** would these teams even trade to get him? He’s looking to beat them next season. In his head he’s the x-factor, he just needs more help.

Add Philly to the list so they can trade everything but Embiid to get him? Add BK to the list so they can trade all of that young talent to get him? Nobody is getting him for free lol.. it’s not like he’s walking into a young team without that young team giving up all those young pieces to get him. Go to Toronto for Kyle Lowry, Siakam, and all those valuable picks the Raptors can offer the Pels?... hope Kawhi doesn’t leave, or sit out an entire season if he stays. He btw actually has an injury that’s going to linger the rest of his career, even if Kyrie goes to the Nets his injury history is deep, missed finals, conference finals, etc.. Embiid might be the largest health risk in the league, Simmons already missed an entire season though he would be traded to get him anyways.. you just said in your first post injuries were part of the reason he can’t play with LeBron. None of those scenarios check off that box either.




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[illwill10]

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I was hoping that injury wasn't serious. But it does look a Achilles. Luckily he's only 30. But it does have to really suck for him. There's always a chance for injury on any play especially when your coming back from another injury.
Timing of it really sucks for him and changes landscape of offseason. He was the top FA. Like cima said, does a team take a chance of him not playing at all next year? I think 6 months would be minimum for a return. So does a team sign him to a long term deal, know earliest you could see him is Christmas or possibly next season? In this situation, you usually see players take a 1 year deal in hopes to get healthy, get back on court and show what you cab do, and hope to get that big deal the following year. But how often has that happened where a player gets serious injury in contract year, signs 1 yr deal, then gets the full max the following offseason?. His main two options are sign another 1+1 with Warriors or sign a long term deal with another. Even under these circumstances, I don't think Warriors want the constant distraction and uncertainty of not knowing the future. Other team might be cautious to give full max deal if he is seriously injured and have it riddled with a lot of injury clauses. If it was me, I would take long term deal. At 30, he isn't "old' in Basketball terms, but I wouldn't want to chance that max deal if he doesn't come back fully healthy next year. I would hope that whatever team I sign with will have solid enough roster so if he is able to come back post-Christmas or pos-ASW, they can make a playoff run when he gets back.

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2019 Offseason Thread

Durant will still get the max all the same. You guys really think teams as desperate as the Knicks and Lakers will be that they’ll pass on Durant?


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[OSUFan_88]

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Durant will still get the max all the same. You guys really think teams as desperate as the Knicks and Lakers will be that they’ll pass on Durant?


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I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Durant never really fully recovers from this injury. Achilles injuries are just about the worst you can have.

[cima]

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Durant will still get the max all the same. You guys really think teams as desperate as the Knicks and Lakers will be that they’ll pass on Durant?


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It's more complex than that though, and not just talking about the severity of the injury. Say the rumblings of Kyrie and KD teaming together in NY (either team) was true...this may alter Kyrie's plans. Maybe he doesn't consider the NY teams as his top options anymore if they were to begin with?

There's gonna be a domino effect for sure...just curious is to how they will ultimately fall.