2019 Offseason Thread

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I mean those 3 would be instant contenders, but would still need lots of defense, shooting, and depth, with no money to get it.

And a lot depends on how much better Kuzma gets, and how little Bron regresses, and how healthy Davis is before it really even enters the realm of GS.. on paper anyways.


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Yea I'm just saying theoretically and if everything worked out perfectly. AD of course has had injury plagued seasons. So that's always a potential risk with him. But at least Bron doesn't have to always be on the floor with that group.

I've always liked Kuzma, but that defense gotta improve.

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[King_B_Mack]

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I mean those 3 would be instant contenders, but would still need lots of defense, shooting, and depth, with no money to get it.

And a lot depends on how much better Kuzma gets, and how little Bron regresses, and how healthy Davis is before it really even enters the realm of GS.. on paper anyways.


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They’d have 2 top 5 players in the league on the team regardless with another All-Star caliber player with them as well. That would certainly be in the realm of GS on paper and otherwise. Cause considering who you talk to. Despite the “zomg 5 all-stars” battle cry from this past year, according to quite a few GS has never had 2 of the top 5 guys in the league


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[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

They’d have 2 top 5 players in the league on the team regardless with another All-Star caliber player with them as well. That would certainly be in the realm of GS on paper and otherwise. Cause considering who you talk to. Despite the “zomg 5 all-stars” battle cry from this past year, according to quite a few GS has never had 2 of the top 5 guys in the league


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That’s the only team in the last idk how many years that’s had two MVPs on it though. I mean Steph has been called by many a not top 5 player, but so has Davis, and many say LeBron no longer is either.. Just depends what your perception of those 3 are. I think they are all three top 5 caliber, whether you say one ranks 6th or 7th on a list or not. What’s the difference between a the “7the best player” and the “5th best player” anyways lol.

Regardless I’m not taking about 2 players. Even with Kemba nobody on that team outside the main two is an off ball threat like Klay, a perimeter defender like Klay, a guy who’s going to break single quarter scoring records, shoot nearly 60% from three in the finals, etc.

And nobody on that team does all the things defensively that Draymond does. Not at this point at least. 4th guy down can get you double digit points, lead your team in boards, make your defense go, and be your half-court playmaker, be the guy that pushes your fast breaks..

Talent aside you still have to have the fit. A 3rd big name thats used to having the ball still has to account for how all 3 of them adjust to one another. With Klay, Draymond, you don’t really have to ask them to sacrifice their play style to make it fit. That’s a big bonus in itself. And part of the reason I think adding Kyrie is a horrible idea, and why adding 3-4 solid players rather than one great player likely benefits the team more.


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[ojandpizza]

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And regardless of all that even if we came to the conclusion that the Lakers put together a starting 5 that rivaled GS, the Warriors still had what was considering weak depth with guys like Livingston, Iggy, Looney.. as of now those roles are Caruso, Wagner, Bonga for the Lakers lol.


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[King_B_Mack]

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And regardless of all that even if we came to the conclusion that the Lakers put together a starting 5 that rivaled GS, the Warriors still had what was considering weak depth with guys like Livingston, Iggy, Looney.. as of now those roles are Caruso, Wagner, Bonga for the Lakers lol.


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I feel like the Lakers would get better guys for their bench though. Guys were still lining up to join GS on the cheap. It took a hit this year but they could still get serviceable guys.

As for top 5 you and I both know the talk about Davis not being top 5 and certainly this LeBron not being top 5 (I honestly haven’t even heard this I have no clue where you’re hearing it) is anywhere near the talk about Steph not being top 5. I think it does matter when you’re looking at the talent on one team. If there really wasn’t a significant difference from the 5th and 7th best player people wouldn’t be losing their minds the way they do when you try to move someone into that top 5 from anywhere 6 and up.





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[cima]

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I still wonder what the whole “MEGA SUPER TEAM” thing means.

Everyone has known for awhile that the Lakers can get close to another max guy, and regardless of who that is that limits them substantially on guys 5-15. I don’t see it being them.

New York can still get two guys, that’s been known for while as well. KD and Kyrie, or KD and Kawhi, or whatever duo still doesn’t really fit the bill IMO. BK is in the same boat, Clippers in that same boat.

How much room does Dallas have? Could it be something like Kemba, Jimmy, Luka, Porzingis?

I just don’t see what makes this mind blowing team right now.. especially considering we just had an All-NBA level starting 5 on GS this past season if healthy... I don’t see anything that tops that.


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MEGA SUPER TEAM is clearly subjective. So my interpretation is LeBron/AD/Kawhi. That's something I would call MEGA SUPER TEAM because having 2 of the top 3 players in the world and another top 5-10 is a greater trio than Steph/Klay/KD. If you have those 3, it don't matter who else you put on the team, they can be stacked with vet minimums and still win. Look at how awful the 2011 Miami Heat team's depth was and you could argue they'd win the title if LeBron doesn't **** the bed. Either way, that was a big 3 with no depth in their first year that made the Finals. '11 LeBron most likely > '20 LeBron but '20 AD > '11 Bosh and '20 Kawhi > '11 Wade. If that trio formed, they would undoubtedly attract ring chasers and make the Finals as long as arguably even 2 of those 3 stay healthy.

[TMagic]

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My first choice would be for the Lakers to bring back DLo...if we knew that we'd have some ring chasers who were willing to join on the cheap.

If not, I think I might actually prefer to spread that money to Beverly, Redick, and DeAndre if doing that is possible. Maybe switch Brogdon in there if one of those other guys were willing to sign for the low.

I want no part of Jimmy Buckets and much prefer DLo over Kemba.

[ojandpizza]

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Again, it depends who you ask and what their criteria is. Steph won back to back MVPs, he was all NBA first team this year where neither of those guys were. People have their own lists, and will argue reasons why, but at the end of the day all 3 of those guys are first team level players. Even if they miss it by a year, or are considered “6th” best. They are all in that elite territory. Thinking basketball just ranked Steph number 1 in the league, with Bron at 6th and AD at 4th.

To me, Steph is behind Bron (if he looks like 2018 and pre-injury last year) and Davis.. but that’s just judging players on an island based on ability alone. If you factor in importance and how Steph’s game translates to what GS does and meshes with Dray and Klay’s skills, you could argue he’s the most important player in the whole league.

I’d probably have Steph and Kawhi fighting each other for spots 5 and 6 personally. Kawhi is the better two way player, Steph’s ability to shoot and spread the floor is more polarizing and impacts his teammates game more.

But that’s just me. There are people on this site who call Steph the greatest PG to ever play, people who call Kawhi the best player in the whole league.


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[TMagic]

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Not to turn this into a ranking debate...

But I've always said that if I were starting a team, my first pick would always be Steph. I might have started a thread in here or sparked a debate about your "ideal" starting five. So not just who you think is the best player at each position...but what would be the best team you could construct to win.

My choice always began and ended with Steph because he just completely f**** up defenses just by breathing on the court.

[TMagic]

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Is there anyway to figure out these guys asking prices ala 2K? [emoji23]

Curious as to how much Beverly, Collison, and some others would cost. Is it reasonable to assume that it would be about what they made on their last deals? Less? More? [emoji848]

[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

I’m not sure on Beverly, he’s a good fit at the price he was paid last year, but if he goes up possibly not. Teams will want him, but not sure how much teams would actually over pay for him given that most teams who actually need a point guard are looking for pick and roll threats.

JJ has played the last two seasons on 1 years deals. Two years ago probably overpaid I think it was like 23 mil, and last year probably about what he would get from most teams unless someone overpaid again at around 12. I think he’s a good option, because I do think he would sign for around what he was making before that 7-8 range if he was guaranteed a longer contract. 3 years guarantee money or something.

Collison is kinda in the same boat. He was a 4-5 mil a year guy and went back to Indiana making 10.. I think he drops down some, as on most teams he’s likely a back up option. He has a history with Vogel as well.

It’s had to imagine guys like Thad Young, D Jordan, Taj Gibson, Dedmon, Lamb, Temple, and so on getting bigger pay days than what they had..

Ariza got overpaid, and probably would now take a bargain deal to win again. Seth Curry likely going up, but like JJ I think would be reasonable if he finally landed somewhere for guaranteed years of good money. Brogdon likely getting some big money from somewhere.




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[Smallville102001]

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I mean those 3 would be instant contenders, but would still need lots of defense, shooting, and depth, with no money to get it.

And a lot depends on how much better Kuzma gets, and how little Bron regresses, and how healthy Davis is before it really even enters the realm of GS.. on paper anyways.


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Yeah if Kuzma can get better and better you would have a big 4 right there but we dont known how much better he can get.

[ojandpizza]

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My first choice would be for the Lakers to bring back DLo...if we knew that we'd have some ring chasers who were willing to join on the cheap.

If not, I think I might actually prefer to spread that money to Beverly, Redick, and DeAndre if doing that is possible. Maybe switch Brogdon in there if one of those other guys were willing to sign for the low.

I want no part of Jimmy Buckets and much prefer DLo over Kemba.

I think there are advantages and disadvantages to all the moves.. obviously I think Kawhi or Klay is the biggest haul, no brainer options.. but I’m giving those about 2% chances. Klay is hurt, and Gs giving him the max, and he wants to stay. Kawhi I just don’t think takes the pay cut to join the Lakers.

DLo to me has concerns. 1 would be are the numbers he got last year a possible “good stats” on not a bad team but a team that didn’t really have other threats to go create shots consistently. He had a good year, but he had the ball a lot too. You also wonder does he have the ability to scale back and be that 3rd option type. He flourished as a high volume #1, but that’s a big difference to what he would likely be asked to do. For the Lakers I would think they love his size, ability to create shots that little guards can’t, possibly add more defensive value just because he can switch, and he’s young so pairing him with Davis sets them up post LeBron. He’s without a doubt the best question mark though because nobody knows if he can scale his game back or even sustain what he did last season.

For Kemba he’s a winner. Has been since college. Makes all the right plays. My concerns with him would be I think he’s a slightly below max guy that isn’t reaching some untapped potential we’ve yet to see. He’s small, not greatly improving the defense, and isn’t a great enough shooter to really make me feel confident that playing off James and Brow would solve shooting issues.. he would be the best fit of the guards IMO, but only assuming he signed for cheap enough that they added a great shooter next to him. And he’s likely getting max deals, wants to stay in Charlotte, etc..

Jimmy is enticing because he makes big plays, plays hard, wants to win, etc.. my concerns with Jimmy are also the 3rd role thing. I know he can coexist with other good players, but I think he cares way too much about his shots and money. His defense has declined a bit, and he’s not an automatic outside shooter.. meaning that if you were going the 3rd All-Star route I’m not sure that he’s a better option than signing a point guard because it’s likely a bigger need since scoring shouldn’t be hard to come by with Bron, Kuz, Davis.. if he was Kawhi, or had Klay’s off ball game, that’s a different story. But just enough lacking behind them in certain areas that I feel point guard > Jimmy.

With Kyrie you get arguably the most pure talent, he’s clutch, the best shooter, played with Bron in the past and won, etc.. my issues with Kyrie are that he’s not scaling his game back. Which really hurts when you have a player like AD, or even Bron, sacrificing instead of a player like Kyrie.. he also is the biggest health risk, and is still yet proven to really make guys around him better. He over dribbles a lot, which I don’t have a problem with if you’re the type of player who off-sets that with elite playmaking.. but that’s not him. He’s also shown to be reluctant to buy in to coaches game-plans, which hurt the Cavs to an extent when he wouldn’t play at Lue’s pace which would have benefited LeBron, JR, Love, even a guy like Thompson beating bigs up the floor.

Biggest red flag for Kyrie is that he showed with the Cavs that when LeBron went to the bench he couldn’t maintain their level of play for short stretches. Even against opponents benches. Similar results with Boston, as their guys were never really better overall with him on the floor than with Rozier on the floor. If Kyrie himself is going he’s Steph/Dame dangerous. But when he’s not I feel like his impact is very minimal.

Kyrie would be my last choice of the 3rd star bunch, and would be well behind spreading the money on 3-4 guys as well. But I’m nobody’s GM lol.


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[Smallville102001]

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My first choice would be for the Lakers to bring back DLo...if we knew that we'd have some ring chasers who were willing to join on the cheap.

If not, I think I might actually prefer to spread that money to Beverly, Redick, and DeAndre if doing that is possible. Maybe switch Brogdon in there if one of those other guys were willing to sign for the low.

I want no part of Jimmy Buckets and much prefer DLo over Kemba.

The thing with DLo is he is younger than Kemba and would cost less money has Kemba is the better player so maybe you could still bring in like 1-2 more good role players compared to if you brought in Kemba.

[Smallville102001]

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Again, it depends who you ask and what their criteria is. Steph won back to back MVPs, he was all NBA first team this year where neither of those guys were. People have their own lists, and will argue reasons why, but at the end of the day all 3 of those guys are first team level players. Even if they miss it by a year, or are considered “6th” best. They are all in that elite territory. Thinking basketball just ranked Steph number 1 in the league, with Bron at 6th and AD at 4th.

To me, Steph is behind Bron (if he looks like 2018 and pre-injury last year) and Davis.. but that’s just judging players on an island based on ability alone. If you factor in importance and how Steph’s game translates to what GS does and meshes with Dray and Klay’s skills, you could argue he’s the most important player in the whole league.

I’d probably have Steph and Kawhi fighting each other for spots 5 and 6 personally. Kawhi is the better two way player, Steph’s ability to shoot and spread the floor is more polarizing and impacts his teammates game more.

But that’s just me. There are people on this site who call Steph the greatest PG to ever play, people who call Kawhi the best player in the whole league.


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Yeah its hard to say but to me Kawhi is the second best player in the league behind KD and Curry is like 3erd or so.