2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I'm not so sure. Oladipo's missed most of the past two seasons now. Outside of the one great season, he's been a below average scorer efficiency-wise. Simply didn't look right/good in the playoffs at all. He's an expiring contract. And there's already a lot of speculation that he's fixated on getting to Miami. And there's speculation that Indiana doesn't want to re-sign him anyways. It's basically a Kawhi-Spurs situation except he's maybe a fringe all-star rather than a bonafide superstar. I don't think the return will be all that impressive really.

My initial reaction was it would take a lot to get him then I saw the following things why his trade value wouldn't be as high as you think.

* He was out a year and didn't look the same once he came back.
* This is the final year of his contract
* You will have to pay him a new contract at 30
* His game is built on athleticism

I think teams that feel "close" might still take that gamble on him. For example Denver moving Barton and Harris with a first for Oladipo?

Or Boston, how many firsts do you think it would take to trade Kemba for Oladipo and Turner?

[cima]

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Doc being linked to the Philly and Houston job openings

[phenom1990]

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I’ll guess that if Van Gundy gets a job, Doc will go into TV.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Doc needs a year off and wants to enjoy sunny weather and golf.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think teams that feel "close" might still take that gamble on him. For example Denver moving Barton and Harris with a first for Oladipo?

Or Boston, how many firsts do you think it would take to trade Kemba for Oladipo and Turner?

I don’t think Boston would do Kemba for those two straight up, nor do I think Indiana would want to either.

The Celtics homer that got the ball rolling on this today was saying Hayward + a pick for Oladipo + salary filler. I think that’s theoretically possible though I don’t necessarily think Oladipo makes sense for Boston. I could see Denver theoretically doing that deal you mentioned.


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[ojandpizza]

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Speaking of Denver does anyone think it would be crazy for them to trade MPJ for a guy who might fit their needs a little more?

What about a Chicago swap. Gary Harris, MPJ, and a first round pick for LaVine and one of Lauri/Carter?

Denver needs a big body to come off the bench/start at the 4. Carter defensively would be perfect, Lauri offensively would be perfect. LaVine is an upgrade over Harris as far as scoring and gives them the extra punch they hope MPJ develops into without having to wait..

Chicago gets Harris who likely fits a bit better with their young pieces because he won't demand the touches LaVine did. MPJ can develop into their player for the future, they get to pick one of Carter/Lauri and use their draft to fill the void of the other..

Bulls need a SF most of all, there isn't one in the draft and MPJ would likely have a higher upside even if there was. Say they keep Lauri they could draft Wiseman and move forward with White, Harris, MPJ, Lauri, Wiseman. Still likely create max money room with Otto and Thad expiring or by trading them away.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Speaking of Denver does anyone think it would be crazy for them to trade MPJ for a guy who might fit their needs a little more?

What about a Chicago swap. Gary Harris, MPJ, and a first round pick for LaVine and one of Lauri/Carter?

Denver needs a big body to come off the bench/start at the 4. Carter defensively would be perfect, Lauri offensively would be perfect. LaVine is an upgrade over Harris as far as scoring and gives them the extra punch they hope MPJ develops into without having to wait..

Chicago gets Harris who likely fits a bit better with their young pieces because he won't demand the touches LaVine did. MPJ can develop into their player for the future, they get to pick one of Carter/Lauri and use their draft to fill the void of the other..

Bulls need a SF most of all, there isn't one in the draft and MPJ would likely have a higher upside even if there was. Say they keep Lauri they could draft Wiseman and move forward with White, Harris, MPJ, Lauri, Wiseman. Still likely create max money room with Otto and Thad expiring or by trading them away.

I don't think it would be crazy and in fact I think it would be wise, but I'm admittedly a Porter skeptic.

[jfsolo]

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Without looking at the tradable assets that all the contending teams have, many people feel that who can get Beal is going to vault to the top of the list of favorites next year. Denver should be one of those teams try to make a deal for him.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Without looking at the tradable assets that all the contending teams have, many people feel that who can get Beal is going to vault to the top of the list of favorites next year. Denver should be one of those teams try to make a deal for him.

They can try, and maybe something centered around Porter could be interesting, but I personally do not think Washington has any interest in moving Beal, and by all indications, Beal has no interest in being moved either.

[georgiafan]

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I think teams that feel "close" might still take that gamble on him. For example Denver moving Barton and Harris with a first for Oladipo?

Or Boston, how many firsts do you think it would take to trade Kemba for Oladipo and Turner?

I saw a lot of Boston people wanting McDermitt with Myles Turner/Oladipo. I Don’t see the, doing it for the 3 picks this year with kemba. I think you would want to space them out with a future 1st.

[King_B_Mack]

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Only realistic dude I'm good moving LaVine for is Beal. He really likes Billy Donovan too and was already commenting that the Bulls should get Billy and then celebrated the move when they did. I think he'd gladly come here to play for Billy if the Bulls made the move.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Wall will get moved before Beal.

Been saying that for the last 2-3 years and I still believe that.

[ojandpizza]

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Yeah Washington isn’t moving Beal for LaVine unless it’s tied to someone like Lauri/Carter or this years top 5 pick and other picks. If Chicago were willing to do that I don’t see why Washington would decline though. They would be replacing most of Beal’s scoring punch and setting their future up better than they can otherwise.

I do think the Bulls absolutely should move LaVine though. I like his game but I don’t think he’s a superstar. He and White’s game is repetitive and White is cheaper + a better playmaker/more combo guard skills. LaVine hasn’t been able to mesh well with Lauri in the limited time they’ve had together and there is no better time to sell high on him that right now. I don’t see him becoming more valuable as time goes on, especially if the Bulls struggle again.. he continues to look more and more like a good stats bad team type of guy who doesn’t really impact winning. Bulls need money and picks, I think LaVine is very much a high volume scorer who found plenty of chances to score on a bottom feeding Chicago team.. plenty of guys can replace his role considering he was basically a 20 point scorer who offered little else outside of that.

Chicago’s two options here are sell him high or hope he becomes a star. Idk why they would hesitate to take option 1 especially if they land a player who fits their youth timeline.

If I’m Chicago ideal scenario would be finding someone who wants to take on Porter’s expiring contract for quality young players / picks, and in second place would be selling high on LaVine while I still could.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I wouldn’t mind a Prince for Porter swap.

If they ask for LeVert or Allen though, then I’m good.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Pelicans and Sixers have already reached out to Doc Rivers per Marc Spears.

[King_B_Mack]

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I don't think the Bulls should be eager to move LaVine just to be moving someone. I think LaVine has value in the fact that he's a guy that can get you a bucket when you need a bucket. We see far too often in the playoffs and just in general these teams that have these guys who just can't score when the game is on the line and down the stretch. Zach is a guy who can do that. He's not a 1 and I don't know that he can ever become one, but at the same time Zach has never had a coach to really help him develop his game. He's just been playing out there on his raw physical skills. He was drafted to the Wolves with Flip (RIP), then he got Sam Mitchell for a season, then Thibs got there he played barely half a season before going down with his knee injury and getting traded to Chicago with Hoiberg and Boylen, neither of which has a clue how to develop young talent. Zach with the proper coaching could absolutely put it all together and take that next step. I don't know that Coby White is the guy to build around. He's an undersized scoring guard who's a prime candidate for getting locked down by the LeBron's, KD's etc of the league when teams decide they want to take away the scorer that's torching them throughout the game. Seen enough of that as a Bulls fan. Lauri I'm definitely not a believer in at this point. Maybe he was just hurt last season and a combination of Boylen being an idiot. I would like to see what Donovan can do with these guys before we start trading them for stuff like Gary Harris. I want the Bulls to STOP building these perennial first/second round exit try hard mediocre teams. That's how I see a team like that proposed trade finishing.