2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I don't know that Coby White is the guy to build around.


I would like to see what Donovan can do with these guys before we start trading them for stuff like Gary Harris.

He likely isn’t, that’s why you flip LaVine for someone who is, hence the inclusion of Michael Porter Jr in that trade suggestion. He’s one of the few “could be stars” that might actually be available because not many playoff teams that would want an immediate trade off have a could-be super star sitting a few slots down their depth chart passively calling out coaches and star players for not getting enough touches leading them to likely listen to trade offers..

Unless someone like Brown/Tatum because available I think taking a shot on developing MPJ might be the best option available.

Harris isn’t the return here, it’s MPJ, cap flexibility, and draft picks... Harris is just the salary filler who happens to be a starting level player with playoff experience. Which is better than say taking back a salary filler of the likes of Evan Turner or Jeff Teague type of player.

Idk, feels like a big win for both sides IMO. Maybe even throw out a future first with the hopes to land Bol or Morris too.


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[ojandpizza]

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I'm not so sure. Oladipo's missed most of the past two seasons now. Outside of the one great season, he's been a below average scorer efficiency-wise. Simply didn't look right/good in the playoffs at all. He's an expiring contract. And there's already a lot of speculation that he's fixated on getting to Miami. And there's speculation that Indiana doesn't want to re-sign him anyways. It's basically a Kawhi-Spurs situation except he's maybe a fringe all-star rather than a bonafide superstar. I don't think the return will be all that impressive really.

My initial reaction was it would take a lot to get him then I saw the following things why his trade value wouldn't be as high as you think.

* He was out a year and didn't look the same once he came back.
* This is the final year of his contract
* You will have to pay him a new contract at 30
* His game is built on athleticism

I think teams that feel "close" might still take that gamble on him. For example Denver moving Barton and Harris with a first for Oladipo?

Or Boston, how many firsts do you think it would take to trade Kemba for Oladipo and Turner?

Speaking of Oladipo I read this random suggestion online..

Lakers Receive: Oladipo
Pacers Receive: Kyle Kuzma, Malik Monk, Danny Green Cody Zeller, Lakers first round pick, Hornets first round pick (number3)
Hornets Receive: Myles Turner

A top 5 pick, with another first, and Kuzma I feel like is a really strong return for Vic at this point.. Like you both mentioned his return might not be all that impressive..

Question here is would CHA trade a top 3 pick for Turner, and would MJ ever sign off on a trade that could benefit LeBron? It is a weak draft, Turner fits a huge need for them without the risk of going after Wiseman for example.

Another question I would throw out in that scenario would be should the Lakers push to make that trade without including Kuzma.. Indiana is not going to walk away from an offer that includes a 3rd pick IMO, Lakers putting up Caruso, THT, or Bradley would make more sense as Kuzma could be moved elsewhere for a different return if needed. Or if Indy demanded Kuzma should the Lakers counter with wanting Holiday or agreement to match salaries Lamb/McDermott.

[Master Live 013]

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At this point you seem to be one of the few people still on the Kuzma bandwagon.

Why exactly is Indiana trading away 2 years of Turner? Might as well keep him and see if the new coach can work the Sabonis/Turner pairing.

Malik Monk? Codi Zeller? The 29th or 30th 1st Round pick?

That's a no from me if I'm Indiana.

But if Oladipo wants out (I don't know) they should definitely trade him and not be idiots like Jordan and Charlotte with Kemba.

[jfsolo]

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It wouldn't be near enough of course, but I would do that deal as the Lakers for Beal, but not Oladipo.

Good deal for the Pacers, Turner and Sabonis aren't going to work together long term IMO.

Hornets are getting Hosed IMO. The players are fine, but Turner is not worth giving up the number 3 pick for.

[Master Live 013]

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I mean that's a no brainer for the Lakers. 1 year of Oladipo for maybe the last pick in the 1st round, 1 year of Kuzma and 1 year of Green? Come on. That suggestion has to be from a Lakers fan.

[georgiafan]

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The Lakers would def make the trade of Kuzma, Green and whatever draft picks for Oladipo. They would also get his bird rights so that sits them up for next years FA class also.

I don't think as many teams will make a legit offer for him then what you would expect. However with all the craziness of this year mixed with a bad draft I could see teams just going the safe route and offering a mid 1st for him.

Boston is the team to watch for Myles Turner they should offer all three 1st for him and then some.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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OJ, you think Oladipo would fit on that Lakers squad? Or fit better than KCP would, especially considering the price you’d be paying either of them?

[ojandpizza]

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See I actually think the Hornets are the winners in that scenario. Sure plenty of years Turner might not be worth a top 3 pick, but I guess it just depends how you feel on this years draft and IMO it looks like this years draft might have some solid players but I don't see any "stars".. Wiseman sliding to 3 seems like the best case scenario for the Hornets but Turner is already everything you HOPE Wiseman might become. But I'm also high on Turner and think he's a DPOTY caliber defender who already has a better jumper than what you would hope the best case outcome for Wiseman would be.. Basically the only guy who's been able to go toe-to-toe with Bam in this years playoffs as well. That said, Sabonis is better and he's the Pacers future, they aren't trading him.

If Edwards were to slide to 3 that makes things more difficult because Charlotte needs their SG of the future. However I'm not sold on Edwards being a sure thing either, he's got a lot of Dion Waiters resemblances in his game IMO, or Tyreke Evans without the passing, Oladipo but slower, Harden but far less polished, etc.

As for Kuzma, I'm not on the bandwagon of him becoming a star or anything like that but I do think he's a starter on most teams who with starter minutes/touches is a 20 a game scorer. I think he could easily still be a Tobias Harris like player with a similar role, or TJ Warren (not the bubble-Jordan version).

And yes the proposals are all based on the "internet rumors" that Vic and Turner both want out. Though that has yet to be confirmed by someone like Woj or Shams as far as I know.

I do agree with what some others have said that Oladipo's value might be pretty low currently.. Coming off this injury he was clearly nowhere near the player Brogdon was but it's easy to remember back to how he looked a couple of seasons ago.. That said, that's the only GOOD season he's really ever had, I think some people associate him with that year and assume he can get back to that and be a star but it's equally as likely that year might be an outlier.. The other years of his career he's looked more like Memphis guard Dillon Brooks this year, and if he was coming off an injury I would gladly take a 3rd pick, 27 pick, starter, championship winning vet, and at least 1 rotation piece, 2 if you think Monk can get there, in return for him.

On second thought I might be with jfsolo on this. That move for the Lakers might not be a great idea. For someone like Beal, Booker, sure, but that's nowhere near enough for one of them, but I'm not really sold on the idea that Vic is a great option to play off of Bron/AD. He's only been an above average player with the ball heavily in his hands. And at this point the sample size is fairly large.

[ojandpizza]

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OJ, you think Oladipo would fit on that Lakers squad? Or fit better than KCP would, especially considering the price you’d be paying either of them?

Kinda already answered that before I realized you had posted.. And no I don't think he's a great fit honestly. He's always had active hands and racks up steals which could get them out on the break a bit more, and could likely do a solid job of giving them some offense when LeBron sits, but otherwise it would only make sense if they were able to pull the trigger without Kuz and dump Bradley or something. Still even then you're losing Green who despite shooting worse than even I likely could on open looks he still gives great value and is a big reason their team defense has been so good this year.. KCP is a better fit, especially so for the price tag.

It's one of those where the trade off for it being shaky fit might not matter if Oladipo gets hot in a playoff game and scores 30 on a night AD/Bron doesn't have it going, and he's the reason you win the game/maybe even the series.. But that plan doesn't always work, see the Clippers with Lou Will for example.

[cima]

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What kinda 2K **** is this? Is this guy reputable? He's saying PG13 didn't get rave reviews from teammates in exit interviews and wouldn't be surprised if he was shipped, potentially to BK to team with KD and Kyrie.

Can you imagine that trio? They'd be easily be the most hated-team ever with those 3 personalities.

https://streamable.com/dnmdo0

[ojandpizza]

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Would take LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen at least right? Surely BK isn’t interested in that.


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[georgiafan]

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What kinda 2K **** is this? Is this guy reputable? He's saying PG13 didn't get rave reviews from teammates in exit interviews and wouldn't be surprised if he was shipped, potentially to BK to team with KD and Kyrie.

Can you imagine that trio? They'd be easily be the most hated-team ever with those 3 personalities.

https://streamable.com/dnmdo0

Even if you wanted to trade PG I don't see how you could do that with all that you gave up for him. The Nets giving up 3 good/solid young players for him seems like a bad move with him in a contract year.

[cima]

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Even if you wanted to trade PG I don't see how you could do that with all that you gave up for him. The Nets giving up 3 good young players for him seems like a bad move with him in a contract year.

They'd easily be the favorites to win it all and I have a hard time believing even PG13 wouldn't re-sign with BK while playing with those 2.

But then again we still don't know how KD will bounce back from injury.

[georgiafan]

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They'd easily be the favorites to win it all and I have a hard time believing even PG13 wouldn't re-sign with BK while playing with those 2.

But then again we still don't know how KD will bounce back from injury.

When you see how the Clippers owner fired Doc kinda surprisingly I do think it makes a big trade for them more possible. I wonder if this would be Kawi doing all of this or just the front office people? If its just the office side of things then this could get ugly fast.

Tauren Prince is another name you could throw in the mix his salary next year jumps to 14 million. I would think you have to give up at least 2 of Dinwiddie, Allen and Levert and Allen doesn't make any $.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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That guy always throws BS out there. Pretty much Chris Broussard Jr.

I put zero stock in that. Not to mention, if you noticed with the Nets and any move they make, it’s usually been something that nobody saw coming ahead of time. This team has been good at containing leaks.