2020 Offseason Thread

[cima]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

76ers have hired Doc to be their next coach

[jeebs9]

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76ers have hired Doc to be their next coach

Just seeing this. I don't know if this is great or not

[ojandpizza]

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I assume LA has the bird rights for AD? Can they sign a random FA to a big deal and then go over the cap by using AD's bird rights ?

The site I used for offseason is no longer up as the guy is now the cap guru for klutch.

I was going to say no because even with bird rights that players cap hold is still factored into the salary. Say for example you have 100 mil cap and it's maxed out but you have an expiring 30 mil contract with bird rights that 30 mil is still factored in to your money during the off-season unless you renounce rights to the player.. So you don't have 30 million in free money to sign another max and then use bird rights to go over the cap because to shed that cap hold you have to lose bird rights..

At least that's what I thought...I'm looking at spotrac right now and AD is not listed as one of the players with a cap hold. I think that is because he technically still has an open player option he can accept/decline. I believe once he actually declines his option LAL will have bird rights to sign him to a long term deal, but that cap hold for max level money will still be factored into their cap so they can't sign a max player and then use bird rights to sign Davis after.

I'm not 100% on all that, but I believe that's how it works.

This year the Lakers will have a mid level exception worth around 10 mil, and a biannual that they didn't use last year for a little under 4 to go over the cap to sign players. Those can be split amongst pieces, but I don't think they can be combined for one (not sure). Either way they could basically retain the same roster they have now, add their rookie contract, and then sign two players at those figures. 10 mil could be a good vet joining them.. Crazy thing is all season long I thought Dragic would be perfect, he's what they need, he was benched for Nunn, LAL is warm and sunny like Miami.. But once the playoffs hit and was the leading scorer on a finals team 1.) he's likely worth more at least for one more deal, and 2.) I doubt Miami wants to let him go now.. Plus I think he likes it there. They do not have bird rights for Morris or Dwight, so if keeping them is a priority they might have to dip into that money for them, a solid rotation piece like Millsap might be a good move here as he's coming off 30 mil and likely not getting another big pay day and Denver will be committing to Grant instead I'm sure. Guys like Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Favors, Tristan Thompson, Joe Harris, Bertans, Alec Burks, Austin Rivers, those are likely the guys who might be in play there.


The NEXT off-season the Lakers can actually make max cap room. Unless they sign someone to multi-year deals this offseason (the exceptions won't matter because those can be over the cap money) the Lakers head into that off-season with Davis (if he stays), LeBron's player option, and Kuz's cap hold. They would have just under super max money to sign a "near max" guy. To sign a guy like Kawhi, or Giannis who likely qualify for super max they would have to renounce Kuz, or convince someone like Kawhi/Giannis to sign for 3-4 mil mil cheaper, or convince LeBron to decline his player option and sign a 1+1 paying him slightly less the first year with the agreement to max him with bird rights the following year, or obviously trade LeBron... But guys like CP3, Paul George, Hayward, DeRozan, Jrue, Drummond, Oladipo, guys like that they could likely sign without changing anything.

Edit: The MLE Can also be applied to up to 4 years BTW.. So convincing a player who's worth 15mil to take say 8-10mil to join a contender instead wouldn't be as difficult as it seems because you can sign them for say 3 years at that price guaranteeing them more like 30 mil in total. So while say some team told Gallinari they would pay him 16 million this year but the Lakers told him they would pay him 7 million over 3 years he would have a guaranteed 21 million locked in a contract for 3 seasons worth of contending for championships. Pelinka worked these deals so they would have these options available after acquiring Davis, you only get the MLE when you're operating over the cap in the off-season and that's why the Lakers signed everyone to 2 year deals, or deals with a player option.. He worked it perfectly so they wouldn't use the MLE last season and didn't use their biannual either.

[illwill10]

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I like the hiring. If anyone is able handle the egos, it'll be Doc. I like it better than D'Antoni where the roster would have to be transformed big time and I'm not certain about Ty Lure.

[jfsolo]

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The question is, will Doc be able to fix their offensive woes. This has not been shown to be strong suit of his.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he hires the right group of Assistants, then that can be fixed.

But I think Philly’s main issues are stuff that no playbook might not be able to correct.

[illwill10]

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I still feel that the Sixers need a good combo guard that can play alongside Simmons and run the offense when he isn't on the court. That was the hope for Fultz, but obviously that never materialized. Out of the Free Agents, VanFleet is the best option. But I see him either staying in Toronto or going to Knicks. I would love to see them trade for Dinwiddie.

I didnt like the Horford signing last year. They were too caught up on a potential Bucks playoff matchup. It'll be hard, but they have to figure a way trade him away. I'll think they'll be better suited having a stretch big. I think Simmons-ComboGuard-JRich- Harris-Embiid is a good lineup. They'll just have to sure up the bench with a couple quality shooters.

[ehh]

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I still feel that the Sixers need a good combo guard that can play alongside Simmons and run the offense when he isn't on the court.

Yep, that's been a big issue for a couple of years now. They need that secondary playmaker. Tobias can do it sometimes in the regular season but forget about it in the playoffs.

[georgiafan]

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Thanks for the info I hadn't head anyone say they could just sign a big name for 20 million or so then resign AD using his bird rights. So I kinda assumed it wouldn't be that easy.

I wonder if AD will sign a 1 year deal instead of sign the max deal with all of unknowns about the salary cap. That could give them even more flexibility going into next offseason.

I was going to say no because even with bird rights that players cap hold is still factored into the salary. Say for example you have 100 mil cap and it's maxed out but you have an expiring 30 mil contract with bird rights that 30 mil is still factored in to your money during the off-season unless you renounce rights to the player.. So you don't have 30 million in free money to sign another max and then use bird rights to go over the cap because to shed that cap hold you have to lose bird rights..

At least that's what I thought...I'm looking at spotrac right now and AD is not listed as one of the players with a cap hold. I think that is because he technically still has an open player option he can accept/decline. I believe once he actually declines his option LAL will have bird rights to sign him to a long term deal, but that cap hold for max level money will still be factored into their cap so they can't sign a max player and then use bird rights to sign Davis after.

I'm not 100% on all that, but I believe that's how it works.

This year the Lakers will have a mid level exception worth around 10 mil, and a biannual that they didn't use last year for a little under 4 to go over the cap to sign players. Those can be split amongst pieces, but I don't think they can be combined for one (not sure). Either way they could basically retain the same roster they have now, add their rookie contract, and then sign two players at those figures. 10 mil could be a good vet joining them.. Crazy thing is all season long I thought Dragic would be perfect, he's what they need, he was benched for Nunn, LAL is warm and sunny like Miami.. But once the playoffs hit and was the leading scorer on a finals team 1.) he's likely worth more at least for one more deal, and 2.) I doubt Miami wants to let him go now.. Plus I think he likes it there. They do not have bird rights for Morris or Dwight, so if keeping them is a priority they might have to dip into that money for them, a solid rotation piece like Millsap might be a good move here as he's coming off 30 mil and likely not getting another big pay day and Denver will be committing to Grant instead I'm sure. Guys like Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Favors, Tristan Thompson, Joe Harris, Bertans, Alec Burks, Austin Rivers, those are likely the guys who might be in play there.


The NEXT off-season the Lakers can actually make max cap room. Unless they sign someone to multi-year deals this offseason (the exceptions won't matter because those can be over the cap money) the Lakers head into that off-season with Davis (if he stays), LeBron's player option, and Kuz's cap hold. They would have just under super max money to sign a "near max" guy. To sign a guy like Kawhi, or Giannis who likely qualify for super max they would have to renounce Kuz, or convince someone like Kawhi/Giannis to sign for 3-4 mil mil cheaper, or convince LeBron to decline his player option and sign a 1+1 paying him slightly less the first year with the agreement to max him with bird rights the following year, or obviously trade LeBron... But guys like CP3, Paul George, Hayward, DeRozan, Jrue, Drummond, Oladipo, guys like that they could likely sign without changing anything.

Edit: The MLE Can also be applied to up to 4 years BTW.. So convincing a player who's worth 15mil to take say 8-10mil to join a contender instead wouldn't be as difficult as it seems because you can sign them for say 3 years at that price guaranteeing them more like 30 mil in total. So while say some team told Gallinari they would pay him 16 million this year but the Lakers told him they would pay him 7 million over 3 years he would have a guaranteed 21 million locked in a contract for 3 seasons worth of contending for championships. Pelinka worked these deals so they would have these options available after acquiring Davis, you only get the MLE when you're operating over the cap in the off-season and that's why the Lakers signed everyone to 2 year deals, or deals with a player option.. He worked it perfectly so they wouldn't use the MLE last season and didn't use their biannual either.

I like the hiring. If anyone is able handle the egos, it'll be Doc. I like it better than D'Antoni where the roster would have to be transformed big time and I'm not certain about Ty Lure.

I like the move for them to get Doc as the 76ers problem is more leadership and mental then x and o's. Even with the problems Doc may have he is still a upgrade over Brown.

[illwill10]

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Still have to wait and see what the front office moves will look like for Sixers. There needs to be one voice making the decisions and not a group effort. They have to get better in personnel/draft decisions. Horford wasn't a fit from the jump. He is better suited at the Center. It was a ploy to matchup with the Bucks. I'm okay with the Fultz decision(not the trading up part though) because they needed(still) a combo guard to play alongside Simmons. But I didn't like Zhaire Smith decision from the jump. I get why they didn't go after MPJ because they were looking for an athletic 3& D wing. But, Smith was already injured and assumed to miss rookie season. So, they should've stuck with Bridges or went with the higher upside injured player in MPJ.

The ultimate thing is getting Joel into better shape and motivated and getting Ben Simmons to be more aggressive and assertive. Joel has to get back to that 2017-18 Troll Joel where he dominated against key matchups and more motivated against Star Centers and Primetime matchups. I feel the lineup as constructed doesn't mesh. Too many alphas and no accountability and discipline. If they can find a way to trade Horford and even Harris, that would be ideal. Outside of Simmons, Embiid, Thybulle no one else should be untouchable. I think if they can get a high % Shooter/Spacer, Combo Guard/2nd Playmaker, and more shooters in general, that'll be a better team as opposed to a 'star-studded' lineup. They have 5 picks and obviously can't keep all 5 and not in position to develop them. If they can package some of those picks with a Horford or Harris and get someone like a Buddy Hield and more shooters overall. It all depends on if Doc wants to keep Simmons as a big PG or a PF.

[illwill10]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Alvin Gentry will be on the 76ers staff

I thought I saw a report last night that the Kings should be announcing that Gentry would be on their staff.

[georgiafan]

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I thought I saw a report last night that the Kings should be announcing that Gentry would be on their staff.

opps my bad your right its the kings I read it wrong.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Hopefully these teams can play games closer to their home markets.

And props to the NBA for how they handled this bubble as far as preventing outbreaks while teams were there.

[MrDubya]

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Definitely commend the NBA on handling this during a difficult time, and I think the NHL did a great job as well with the Stanley Cup playoffs.

[georgiafan]

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Looking at the Lakers their best offer they could make is something like this. I looked and I don't see a obvious veteran that's locked into a longer contract that would be a good fit for both sides.

Danny Green - 15.3M expiring
Kuzma - 3.5M
1st round pick
Javale Mcgee or Quinn Cook - If you need some more salary total 7.2 M