2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ojandpizza]

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As a Cavs fan who had seen this happen first hand, twice,

I also wouldn't say he did this the first time either as the only pick they didn't have was 2010. So the idea of crippling the future in that instance doesn't really apply.

Plus that teams still had Andy, Gibson, Williams, Hickson, who were all young, Jamison who was still a "star" and returning starter Anthony Parker.. LeBron was expected to win a ring with that, so they were either good enough to be a championship team or so bad that they were crippled for the future. It can't be both.

Also I know it's not you saying this exactly, I'm responding to King's angle.

[ojandpizza]

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I guess my point is that I have faith in my GM making sure we don’t get down bad again like we were after the DWill/Pierce/KG years when Marks had to pretty much build us up from scratch.

Our post KD/Kyrie future is still 5 years out, lol. Their post-Lebron future can be whenever he says he’s done or when his contract is up.

But their post LeBron future also has AD and max cap room and it's the Lakers. I mean they very well could be doomed, but on the other hand Davis is only 28. They're obviously trying to win now with Bron there while they have him, but I don't think this teams future is LeBron dependent but more so AD dependent.

[ojandpizza]

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Changing subject in response to your post Pack, do you think KD plays to 38?

[Master Live 013]

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Yeah, teams leverage during their windows to win 'chips and whatever happens after that happens. Who cares about the Lakers after LeBron leaves? Lakers might have some down years, they will survive. Is it pretty? Well... Does he gets results? Yes.

[King_B_Mack]

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But their post LeBron future also has AD and max cap room and it's the Lakers. I mean they very well could be doomed, but on the other hand Davis is only 28. They're obviously trying to win now with Bron there while they have him, but I don't think this teams future is LeBron dependent but more so AD dependent.

I mean....broken down AD and max cap space isn't exactly a selling point for the Lakers. LeBron is the first major guy since Shaq to sign there and that was how many years apart? It's still not a stretch to say the only reason LeBron even went there was because of Bronny going to school at Sierra Canyon. FAs weren't exactly flocking to LA before Bron, so acting like they're gravy post Bron when they're currently a dumpster fire doesn't really compute.

[Master Live 013]

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Plus I get to make fun of LeGM :P

The drama alone is worth it.

How's that Westbrick trade working out buddy

[ProfessaPackMan]

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but I don't think this teams future is LeBron dependent but more so AD dependent.

The way some here and NBA Twitter talk about him…they gonna be in for some rough years. [emoji3061]

Yeah, teams leverage during their windows to win 'chips and whatever happens after that happens. Who cares about the Lakers after LeBron leaves? Lakers might have some down years, they will survive. Is it pretty? Well... Does he gets results? Yes.

Lol nobody is arguing it doesn’t work. All I asked was if folks think about it, not whether or not it’s the right strategy.

Changing subject in response to your post Pack, do you think KD plays to 38?

Yes, what the **** else is he gonna do? Be on Twitter all day? He’d get bored with that real quick.


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[ojandpizza]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

I mean....broken down AD and max cap space isn't exactly a selling point for the Lakers. LeBron is the first major guy since Shaq to sign there and that was how many years apart? It's still not a stretch to say the only reason LeBron even went there was because of Bronny going to school at Sierra Canyon. FAs weren't exactly flocking to LA before Bron, so acting like they're gravy post Bron when they're currently a dumpster fire doesn't really compute.

If we are just being technically factual you're not wrong, but I wouldn't say what they did in that span will be apples to apples.

When Shaq left (they traded him) they didn't have cap room to sign a free agent even if it was mutually preferred. Example being if the Lakers traded LeBron for enough salary to match they wouldn't also have free money to also sign another max player.

3 years later they trade to get Gasol, still over the cap. Stayed over the cap up until drafting Julius Randle. So at no point in time could they sign a big name even if one wanted to be there.. Which big names did want to be there. Payton went, Malone went, CP3 tried, Nash went, Dwight went, Artest went. They weren't free agents, it wasn't possible to get them as free agents. They stayed over the cap by trading for Roy Hibbert after that even.

So they had a window basically starting in 2016 to get a big name... To play next to Julius Randle a couple years into his career? I do think that scenario is quite a bit different than going to play with AD in his prime in a top 5 market location.

Again I've said 3-4 times now it could be a disaster. So I'm not saying anything close to everything being gravy for them when he's done. I don't even know if AD wants to stay after, if he'll be healthy, etc. I'm just saying they shouldn't just be doomed in theory unless people are just assuming they have no faith in their ability to build a team around AD and max cap room. I think most teams would take that in a heartbeat, rather than try to rebuild after a year or two of tanking to 15 win seasons.

Say LeBron retires when his contract ends.. Would you rather have prime AD or the 20whatever pick you would have when he leaves because they'll likely be a playoff team that year before? They have their own first round picks in 25, 26, 27, 28, 29.

So yeah they could be ****ed when LeBron retires.. But acting like that's the forgone conclusion right now doesn't seem fair. He retires after 2024 and the Lakers have a prime superstar, a max cap slot, and their next 5 first round picks too. That's not really a blown future, at least not one that we can say will definitively happen.

[ojandpizza]

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The way some here and NBA Twitter talk about him…they gonna be in for some rough years. [emoji3061]

Could be, they haven't been able to be successful with him - Bron yet. But time will tell and we don't know what they'll add/replace Bron with either.

AD has looked more like the guy from 2 years ago since returned from injury. Claimed he had time to evaluate his game and needed to make changes.. No **** lol he coulda checked OS for that info a year ago.

Yes, what the **** else is he gonna do? Be on Twitter all day? He’d get bored with that real quick.


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I just remembered the quote from him saying 35 seemed like a good number. He's just still so dangerous and his game will age well just like a Reggie Miller for example. I can't imagine him not going for quite a few more years either.

[Jeffx]

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He's not a 12 year past-prime NBA veteran that should be coming off the bench who Thibs sees as a 40 mpg player!

But for real, Cam is still a project and Thibs knows that. Thibs likes guys who play hard on defense and play inside their role on offense. Reddish does neither, yet.


I don't see it that way. As soon as Reddish was acquired rumors and speculation of the Knicks trying to move off of a veteran or two came out. I just don't think teams are interested enough in guys like Fournier and Burks given their contracts. Thibs stubborness comes into play with not liking to disrupt a rotation that he's settled on and he's said it himself, they traded a guy who wasn't in the rotation for him. Reddish has played bigger stretches the last couple of games and hasn't exactly blown the doors off or looked much better than anyone else he's competing with minutes for.

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/02/09/reason-new-york-knicks-struggling-make-trade/

Best comment from that thread;

"So basically the Knicks took $55 million in cap space and spun it into guys that no one (not even themselves) want? It's sad that nearly a quarter century later Dave Checketts is still the best GM and front office exec this team has had."

The Knicks circus never ends;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/knicks-reportedly-hiring-ex-wolves-president-gersson-rosas-as-consultant/ar-AATFAGp

[King_B_Mack]

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If we are just being technically factual you're not wrong, but I wouldn't say what they did in that span will be apples to apples.

When Shaq left (they traded him) they didn't have cap room to sign a free agent even if it was mutually preferred. Example being if the Lakers traded LeBron for enough salary to match they wouldn't also have free money to also sign another max player.

3 years later they trade to get Gasol, still over the cap. Stayed over the cap up until drafting Julius Randle. So at no point in time could they sign a big name even if one wanted to be there.. Which big names did want to be there. Payton went, Malone went, CP3 tried, Nash went, Dwight went, Artest went. They weren't free agents, it wasn't possible to get them as free agents. They stayed over the cap by trading for Roy Hibbert after that even.

So they had a window basically starting in 2016 to get a big name... To play next to Julius Randle a couple years into his career? I do think that scenario is quite a bit different than going to play with AD in his prime in a top 5 market location.

Again I've said 3-4 times now it could be a disaster. So I'm not saying anything close to everything being gravy for them when he's done. I don't even know if AD wants to stay after, if he'll be healthy, etc. I'm just saying they shouldn't just be doomed in theory unless people are just assuming they have no faith in their ability to build a team around AD and max cap room. I think most teams would take that in a heartbeat, rather than try to rebuild after a year or two of tanking to 15 win seasons.

Say LeBron retires when his contract ends.. Would you rather have prime AD or the 20whatever pick you would have when he leaves because they'll likely be a playoff team that year before? They have their own first round picks in 25, 26, 27, 28, 29.

So yeah they could be ****ed when LeBron retires.. But acting like that's the forgone conclusion right now doesn't seem fair. He retires after 2004 and the Lakers have a prime superstar, a max cap slot, and their next 5 first round picks too. That's not really a blown future, at least not one that we can say will definitively happen.

Really OJ? No cap space until a window starting in 2016? Not going to play with Julius Randle? How somebody gonna debate something with you if you're leaving stuff out to make your point? The Lakers getting spurned by stars was happening with Kobe STILL there and it started as late as 2013 when Dwight bolted LA the first chance he got to get out of there the first time.

Your boy had a chance to go there with Kobe as well and instead went to Cleveland. Carmelo instead chose to stay in New York, Kyle Lowry stayed in Toronto and Pau bolted to Chicago and that was all in the same offseason.

LaMarcus Aldridge had a chance to go play with Kobe but instead went to San Antonio.

Bottom line here though is, there was a little more involved there than the Lakers never had cap space and nobody was trying to sign on to team up with Julius Randle as you're trying to paint it now. And if you wanna clown Randle as the reason why nobody was signing there, how exactly is AD and owning their draft picks somehow a better situation now once LeBron is gone? Y'all LeBron only folks been telling us how bad AD has been and he's once again shown us that he can't play a full season without getting hurt so who's really tripping over themselves to go there to play with him? The draft picks? The Lakers had the second overall pick in the draft for 2 years straight from the year you're pointing out (2016), had their own pick in 2018 (number 25), and would have had the 4th overall pick in 2019 but they traded it for AD. Soooooo that's 5 straight years worth of owned draft picks back in 2016 too.

[jfsolo]

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Some Lakers fans fret about it every single day, but I don't worry about it at all. If AD is there or even he leaves too, it's the Lakers, we'll get great players. Kobe's personality was atypical and is pretty much non existent in the league anymore. There may be a couple of down years, sure, but we'll get another team up squad in short order.

[ojandpizza]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

I didn’t say anybody was tripping over themselves to play with him King. All I said was they will have a superstar and cap room, and future pics to keep/trade. Nobody considers that scenario to be a bad one except for you if you can make it into a LeBron thing apparently. Portland just traded away their whole roster to be in the same position next year with Dame. Somebody else will do it against next year, and the next year, and the next year too.

If you don’t think anybody will want to come play with AD fine just say that. But that’s not a LeBron ruining the future problem, that’s a nobody wanting to play with AD problem. Which is why I’ve been saying this whole time that whether or not the future sucks post LeBron is going to be more dependent on AD than what they are doing now. You’re basically saying the same thing if you’re saying he’s not an attractive enough piece, but arguing with me while saying it lol.

Also lol @LeBron only people.. AD was playing significantly worse, nobody said he was bad. In fact go pull the receipts I said he was playing too good for Chuck to throw blame at him but nowhere near the MVP level guy he was two years ago. As far as LeBron only people, go ahead and add writers on the web, sports talk personnel on TV, Chuck, Shaq, people from NBA radio, the All-Star voters, MVP poles, half the people here (even the Kentucky fans), hell anybody that had two ******* eyeballs lol. Even AD himself as he literally just said he had to evaluate his game and make some changes to get back to where he was.. you’re trying to make this into something it’s really not.

[ojandpizza]

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LaMarcus Aldridge had a chance to go play with Kobe but instead went to San Antonio.

This was the only one of those that you named that had any sort of actual traction at all.

Lakers were 20 million over the cap because of cap holds. They could never afford Bron, Melo, Lowry without renouncing rights to pretty much everybody but Kobe. Again they had no free cap room.

Pau left at 34 years old.. after a year where Kobe played 6 games and they were horrible and missed the playoffs.. far cry from a star spurning a Lakers team that had any promise.

[King_B_Mack]

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This was the only one of those that you named that had any sort of actual traction at all.

Lakers were 20 million over the cap because of cap holds. They could never afford Bron, Melo, Lowry without renouncing rights to pretty much everybody but Kobe. Again they had no free cap room.

Pau left at 34 years old.. after a year where Kobe played 6 games and they were horrible and missed the playoffs.. far cry from a star spurning a Lakers team that had any promise.

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Soooooo you're telling me if 2014 LeBron James said he wanted to sign with the Lakers, it wasn't going to happen cause they weren't going to renounce people yet they traded half the roster for AD a few years later? We're done here. The Lakers had meetings and were into that free agency period looking to sign a star, but okay.